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As much as I respect the work of Joe Backes, I for one do NOT want Swamp (EF) posts appearing on DPF.
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Joseph McBride Wrote:http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/i...-d-tippit/
I love this sentence! Captures it all.....
Quote:"Our president's murder in broad daylight on a public street fifty years ago, and the new government's refusal to bring his killers to justice, meant nothing less the end of our long experiment in democracy. We now live not in a democracy but in what more accurately can be termed a limited police state, and that is the ultimate legacy of the Coup of 1963."
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:I love this sentence! Captures it all.....
Quote:"Our president's murder in broad daylight on a public street fifty years ago, and the new government's refusal to bring his killers to justice, meant nothing less the end of our long experiment in democracy. We now live not in a democracy but in what more accurately can be termed a limited police state, and that is the ultimate legacy of the Coup of 1963."
"The ultimate legacy?
A "limited police state"? [emphasis added]
I think not.
Ask, for instance, the survivors of My Lai what they see as the "ultimate legacy" of JFK's murder.
In my opinion, Peter, the sentence you bring to our attention -- in particular, the phrase which I highlight -- narrows rather than broadens our perspective on the event, implicitly values American lives over others, and is most kindly appreciated as shallow rather than deep political analysis.
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-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
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Charles Drago Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:I love this sentence! Captures it all.....
Quote:"Our president's murder in broad daylight on a public street fifty years ago, and the new government's refusal to bring his killers to justice, meant nothing less the end of our long experiment in democracy. We now live not in a democracy but in what more accurately can be termed a limited police state, and that is the ultimate legacy of the Coup of 1963."
"The ultimate legacy?
A "limited police state"? [emphasis added]
I think not.
Ask, for instance, the survivors of My Lai what they see as the "ultimate legacy" of JFK's murder.
In my opinion, Peter, the sentence you bring to our attention -- in particular, the phrase which I highlight -- narrows rather than broadens our perspective on the event, implicitly values American lives over others, and is most kindly appreciated as shallow rather than deep political analysis.
I don't know what the author meant, and perhaps he'll enlighten us. I took it to mean we have entered police state 'territory' and are progressing rather fast further into it.....i.e. it is an ongoing deterioration of democratic structures and replacements by neo-fascist and totalitarian ones. Yes, individual actions, operations, wars and such have been total in their police state or fascist nature....vestigial remnants of a sick, but once barely functional republic are disappearing FAST...and in modern times were greatly accelerated on 11/22/63 and again on 9/11/01 [and several smaller accelerations between and since]. IMO. That I picked out that sentence doesn't mean I'm not aware [or the author, perhaps - don't know, haven't read the book yet] of the Deep Political Structures and Goals that were behind the 'scene', behind the 'hit', behind all we have seen and are seeing. I know what their 'end game' looks like and I don't like it one bit...it looks like neo-feudalism + neo-fascism with a high-tech touch a la 1984 + the 3rd Reich - only worse....and in America will come wrapped in the flag.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:I love this sentence! Captures it all.....
Quote:"Our president's murder in broad daylight on a public street fifty years ago, and the new government's refusal to bring his killers to justice, meant nothing less the end of our long experiment in democracy. We now live not in a democracy but in what more accurately can be termed a limited police state, and that is the ultimate legacy of the Coup of 1963."
"The ultimate legacy?
A "limited police state"? [emphasis added]
I think not.
Ask, for instance, the survivors of My Lai what they see as the "ultimate legacy" of JFK's murder.
In my opinion, Peter, the sentence you bring to our attention -- in particular, the phrase which I highlight -- narrows rather than broadens our perspective on the event, implicitly values American lives over others, and is most kindly appreciated as shallow rather than deep political analysis.
I don't know what the author meant, and perhaps he'll enlighten us. I took it to mean we have entered police state 'territory' and are progressing rather fast further into it.....i.e. it is an ongoing deterioration of democratic structures and replacements by neo-fascist and totalitarian ones. Yes, individual actions, operations, wars and such have been total in their police state or fascist nature....vestigial remnants of a sick, but once barely functional republic are disappearing FAST...and in modern times were greatly accelerated on 11/22/63 and again on 9/11/01 [and several smaller accelerations between and since]. IMO.
Reasonable, Peter.
But the fact remains, the author used the adjective "ultimate."
ul·ti·mate (lt-mt)
adj.
1. Being last in a series, process, or progression.
2.
a. Of the greatest possible size or significance; maximum: Has the ultimate diamond been found?
b. Representing or exhibiting the greatest possible development or sophistication: the ultimate bicycle.
c. Utmost; extreme: the ultimate insult.
The advent of a "limited police state" in the USA as the "ultimate legacy" of the JFK assassination?
Absolute nonsense -- in my constitutionally protected opinion, of course.
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If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
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Charles, the American empire existed long before JFK was even born. Just ask the Filipinos or the Native Americans or the Mexicans.
Joseph, I'm about halfway through your book. I was moved by your personal accounts of being an adolescent Kennedy supporter from a political family, the trauma and disillusionment following his assassination, and your slow awakening from the Cold War mindset to a more radical awareness. That was very effective. I laughed out loud when one of your classmates had the sudden epiphany, "Oh no, this means Lyndon Johnson is president!" It's one of those things that seems absurdly funny 50 years later.
You also do a nice job summing up the media/government attempt to put everyone back to sleep, lulling people into a passive state of acceptance of the official story.
The chapters on the Tippit murder are good, but that case is still a mess, and we may never solve it.
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Tracy Riddle Wrote:Charles, the American empire existed long before JFK was even born. Just ask the Filipinos or the Native Americans or the Mexicans.
Tracy,
Help me to understand the relevance of your response above to my points on this thread.
Thanks.
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-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
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Charles Drago Wrote:Tracy Riddle Wrote:Charles, the American empire existed long before JFK was even born. Just ask the Filipinos or the Native Americans or the Mexicans.
Tracy,
Help me to understand the relevance of your response above to my points on this thread.
Thanks.
Well, regarding your quote - "Ask, for instance, the survivors of My Lai what they see as the "ultimate legacy" of JFK's murder."
JFK might have succeeded in getting us out of Vietnam if he had lived, and maybe not. But the system that existed before he took office would probably have survived to some extent and rebuilt itself after his second term. The Kennedy brothers were a brief blip in the system like the Gracchi brothers in ancient Rome.
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