17-12-2013, 07:31 AM
(This post was last modified: 17-12-2013, 10:00 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
While this is a great victory, I fear it may be short-lived. It probably will survive until it gets to the Supreme Court, which I would expect to in some way reverse it and allow the 'government' do what it feels it needs to for reasons of 'National Security'. The Supreme Court was not packed for nothing, after all. Even were the Supreme Court to rule in favor [something I think not likely], when you have a secret program [actually programs through other intelligence agencies, as well], and who's to say (or know) if they ever stopped - as all is classified and secret...they would just say they stopped but not stop :
:. The growing and already HUGE surveillance police-state will not so easily be curbed by legal means - they operate outside of the law - sometimes giving lip service to it. Obama and his spokespeople have a bit of a juggling act to do now....but it is all Kabuki theater.....the real 'show' of electronic eavesdropping on everyone, everywhere will sadly go on. Only a completely new form of governance, starting with the USA and UK] and a scrapping of the current one, worldwide, will change this, IMHO. ::bowtie:: The Beast is not dead, not even much wounded....it has been pricked by a pin and will now react both overtly and covertly....and of course with lots of propaganda. Perhaps they'll even roll out yet another Newer New 'Pearl Harbor'.
:. The growing and already HUGE surveillance police-state will not so easily be curbed by legal means - they operate outside of the law - sometimes giving lip service to it. Obama and his spokespeople have a bit of a juggling act to do now....but it is all Kabuki theater.....the real 'show' of electronic eavesdropping on everyone, everywhere will sadly go on. Only a completely new form of governance, starting with the USA and UK] and a scrapping of the current one, worldwide, will change this, IMHO. ::bowtie:: The Beast is not dead, not even much wounded....it has been pricked by a pin and will now react both overtly and covertly....and of course with lots of propaganda. Perhaps they'll even roll out yet another Newer New 'Pearl Harbor'.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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