28-07-2013, 10:45 PM
(This post was last modified: 29-07-2013, 09:09 AM by David Guyatt.)
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Quote:Whether the author simply stumbled on these connection, or whether they arose as he indicated, or even via another source he decided not to reference, remains a mystery.
The book for me is just one big problem after another. Take this for example:
Quote:The 11 could also be seen as symbolizing the Twin Towers, which were themselves powerful modern versions of the ancient Pillars of Hermes.(@ 917 Kindle version)
I quickly jumps from the it could be taken to that's the way it is. It could be and then here's what is next:
Quote:The Twin Towers were not only modern concrete-and-steel re-creations of the famed Pillars of Hermes, but also symbolically marked the boundary between this realm and the nextbetween our world and that of the dead. Associated with the crossing of boundaries, Hermes, also the god of doorways, was a fitting psychopomp, or conductor of the dead to the Underworld, as he was knowna role that was certainly invoked on 9/11. (@ 927-30)
It just goes on and on in this vain. And for me, the key is that the Twin Towers were indeed seen by the the perps as occult symbols. There of course is no way to prove this. And absent this, the whole thing is nothing but a house of cards. Your point about sources is important and of course there are none -- that he is willing to reveal.
Your point regarding the Baphotmet I just do not see as relevant to Bain's book. He just need's to get a goat in the story line somehow to complete the narrative of the black mass and My Pet Goat is the only way he can do it. Weak.
David, I recognize that you think this book has something important to say despite the fact that it is a bridge too far -- if not more. I just don't see it, yet.
I understand the difficulties you pinpoint, Lauren. And yes, of course, it is weak in the way you suggest - because we're talking about different realities, where different laws and different means of comprehension apply. If your eye is not attuned to these things you'll not see it. It's there in plain sight, but for all intents and purpose completely invisible. This has always been the way of the occult. It is not intellectually rational in the sense we normally understand that term. It is entirely experience based.
I understand that all this may seem, probably does seem, quite absurd. But there you have it. Speaking plainly doesn't usually help either, and this is the reason why esotericists usually speak in riddles, symbolism and paradox when attempting to elucidate these subjects.
I can say, however, in response to your example of the Twin Towers, is that architecture reflects the ethos of the Builders, and architects are far more often than not, practising Freemasons. So I can very easily see how the Twin Towers could be symbols in the occult sense in the way Bain depicted them, and for the reasons he highlighted.
We may recall too, that every Masonic temple features two pillars, known as Joachim and Boaz, which may easily have been the underlying template for the Twin Towers. This is not to say that these Two Towers - to use Tolkein's description of the same things - were built with this symbolism in mind - or that the architect was a Freemason (we'll probably never know either way) - but that it is quite feasible and valid to interpret it this way and surmise this. However, I would hazard a guess that a very large number of Freemasons and others esoterically inclined would have concluded exactly this.
It was curiously apt of you to call all this a "house of cards", I think. I refer to The Tower card in the Tarot deck which is also known as La Maison Dieu - the House of God. And while there is only One Tower in Tarot (which dates back to ancient Egypt btw, as does the lore of Freemasons), there are, as always, two aspects of it - one dark and the other light. Duality. Tarot is usually known as a divination tool, but it speaks of far, far deeper things than that.
Penultimately, these symbols do not exactly refer to the gateway between the realm of the living and that of the dead, in the sense I suspect you think, and perhaps the author also - as he clearly is not really esoterically minded, in my opinion. But rather they represent the gateway between this world and those others concomitant to this one - what Jung called the Collective Unconscious, and the indigenous Aborigines of Australia have always called the Dreamworld. I might also add and the ancient Egyptian's Book of the Dead - which contained spells and instructions to enable those who had passed away to navigate their way to the afterlife. The book was thus also known as the Book of Emerging Forth into the Light.
Lastly, if these things do not strike a chord - and they most assuredly do not in a very large number of people - then there's little more I can add. You either hear the music playing or you don't. If you do not, please don't blame me. I didn't manufacture this strange world of ours...
Again, my apologies for straying afar. It really is a difficult subject to confine to just a few lines, as everything has to be amplified to some degree to aid understanding.
David
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
