The ethnic cleansing continues. Kosovo almost 100% Albanian. Hardly any Serbs, Goranji, Roma remain.

[Jan Klimkowski]

On the Ustase's mass murder of children; the documentary work of Dragoje Lukic is discussed.

Skendic: I think most people outside Yugoslavia are unaware that the Ustase incarcerated so many thousands of children.

Ti�ma: At least fifty-six to sixty thousand were murdered. I assume you heard that Mr. Dragoje Luki? gathered information published in a book documenting the deaths of more than nineteen thousand of these children, all killed just in the one camp in Jasenovac village and in Stara Gradi�ka. [9]

Mr. Luki? and a group of volunteers worked for a couple of years after World War II in five counties in the Kozara mountain district, talking to families. [Kozara is a Serbian majority area in Bosnia that had a strong partisan resistance. It is the area where the German force in which Kurt Waldheim, who later became UN Secretary General and President of Austria, and who was a Nazi officer in World War II, committed infamous atrocities � J.S.]

They listed only those children about whom they could find all biographical information - the first and last names, date and place of birth, parent�s names - and in this way documented that more than nineteen thousand children from one district were murdered in two camps. But what about children from Banija, Kordun [in the Serbian Krajina]? What about other districts in the Usta�e�s �Independent Croatia�? For example, for many counties in my region, Slavonia [also in Krajina], there is no town and no child listed in Mr. Luki?�s book. What about all the children who died in other camps, such as Jastrebarsko?

An exhibition about the murdered children created by the late Mr. Luki? is now in Bari, Italy, as part of the Serbian-Italian cooperation project, �Bridge Belgrade-Rome.� In Italy there are still some people who respect truth and justice and hate fascism and what it did during WWII. This exhibition, with photographs, was presented at Dom Armije [the Army Club in Belgrade] for the first time a few years ago. Again the exhibition includes only some nineteen thousand names that Mr. Luki?'s helpers were able to collect. The children from Kozara mountain only.

That has to be said every time one talks about this exhibit, and people don't always do that. For example, in a speech given at the Holocaust Remembrance ceremony, Mr. Mirkovi? from the Museum of Genocide Victims [founded in Belgrade], speaking in the name of the Museum, forgot to mention that nineteen thousand represents only a small portion of the entire number of children that perished. He also forgot to mention which areas of Ustasha Croatia this exhibition is about, and what areas are not covered.

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[9] Luki?, Dragoje, Bili Su Samo Deca: Jasenovac, grobnica 19.432 devoj?ice i de?aka, [They Were Only Children: Jasenovac, tomb of 19,432 girls and boys] (Beograd, Muzej �rtava genocida: 2000)

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The documentation from the time of Jasenovac revolves around the different sides in the battle for Yugoslavia: The Germans and Italians on the one hand, and the Partisans on the other. There are also sources originating from the documentation of the Ustase themselves and of the Vatican. These sources are in times considered contemporary because German and Ustase sources tend to exaggerate, but the comparison of all different sources can give a reliable portrait of the historical truth.

German generals issued reports of the number of victims as the war progressed.German military commanders gave different figures for the number of Serbs, Jews and others killed on the territory of the Independent State of Croatia. They circulated figures of 400,000 Serbs (Alexander L�hr); 350,000 Serbs (Lothar Rendulic); around 300,000 (Edmund Glaise von Horstenau); in 1943; "600-700,000 until March 1944" (Ernst Fick); 700,000 (Massenbach).Hermann Neubacher calculates:

"A third must become Catholic, a third must leave the country, and a third must die!" This last point of their program was accomplished. When prominent Ustasha leaders claimed that they slaughtered a million Serbs, that is, in my opinion, a boastful exaggeration. On the basis of the reports submitted to me, I believe that the number of defenseless victims slaughtered to be three quarters of a million. (Neubacher, Dr. Hermann. Special Assignment in the Southeast, p. 18-30.)

Italian generals, who were more overwhelmed by the atrocious Ustase slaughter, also reported of similar figures to their commanders.[128] The Vatican's sources also speak of similar figures, that is, for an example, of 350,000 Serbs slaughtered by the end of 1942 (Eugen Tisserant[129]) and "over 500,000 people" at all (Godfried Danneels.[130])

The Ustase themselves gave more exaggerated assuptions of the number of people they killed. Vjekoslav "Maks" Luburi?, commander-in-chief of all the Croatian camps, announced the great "efficiency" of the Jasenovac camp at a ceremony as early as October 9, 1942. During the banquet which followed, he reported with pride, intoxicated: "We have slaughtered here at Jasenovac more people than the Ottoman Empire was able to do during its occupation of Europe.".[131] Other Ustase sources give more canon estimations: a circular of the Ustase general headquarters that reads: "the concentration and labor camp in Jasenovac can receive an unlimited number of internees"[132]. In the same spirit, Miroslav Filipovic-Majstorovic, once captured by Yugoslav forces, addmitted, that during his three months of administration, 20,000 to 30,000 people died.[133] Since it became clear that his confession was an attempt to somewhat minimize the rate of crimes committed in Jasenovac, having, for an example, claimed to have personally killed 100 people, extremlly understated[134], Miroslav's figures are evaluted so that in some sources they appear as 30,000-40,000.[135][136]

A report of the National Committee of Croatia for the investigation of the crimes of the occupation forces and their collaborators, dated November 15, 1945, which was commissioned by the new government of Yugoslavia under Tito, stated that 500,000-600,000 people were killed at the Jasenovac complex. These figures were cited by researchers Israel Gutman and Menachem Shelach in the "Encyclopedia of the Holocaust" from 1990 and Simon Wiesenthal Center[citation needed]. Menachem Shelach will in his book speak that number, of some 300,000 bodies being found and exhumed is reliable [137] Mosa Pijade and Eduard Kardelij used this number in the war reparations meetings. Thus the proponents of these numbers were subsequently accused of artificially inflating them for purpose of obtaining war reparations. All in all, The state-commission's report has been only public and official document about number of victims during 45 years of second Yugoslavia.[138]

The state's total war casualties of 1,700,000 as presented by Yugoslavia at the Paris Peace Treaties, were produced by a math student, Vladeta Vu?kovi?, at the Federal Bureau of Statistics.[139] He later admitted that his estimates included demographic losses (i.e. also factoring in the estimated population increase), while actual losses would have been significantly less.[139] This number of victims has been refused by Germany during war reparations talks.

[edit] �ivanovi?: a Contemporary Forensic source

Between 22 and 27 June 1964 [140], exhumations of bodies and use of sampling methods was conducted at Jasenovac by Vida Brodar and Anton Poga?nik from Ljubljana university and Srboljub �ivanovi? from Novi Sad university [141]. During the Yugoslav Wars, Serbian anthropologist, Srboljub �ivanovi?, published during war between Croatia and Serbia what he claimed were the full results of the studies, which in his words has been suppressed by Tito's government in the name of brotherhood and unity, in order to put less emphasis on the crimes of the Ustashe.[142][143] According to �ivanovi?, the research gave strong support to the victim counts of more than 500,000, with estimates of 700,000-800,000 being realistic and that in every mass grave there is 800 skeletons, but reports signed by all members of this sampling has shown that seven mass graves has been excavated and that number of skeletons has been between 2 and 48 in six graves and only in last has been 197. On other side other surviving team member dr. Vida Brodar that this are �ivanovi? manipulations because during exhumations it was never spoken about victims numbers and for evidence she has shown copy of 1964 team report signed by Anton Poga?nik, Srboljub �ivanovi? and Vida Brodar.[144]

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