07-12-2012, 11:25 AM
First things first: The thesis of this exercise has been rendered null and void: i.e., Doorman is Lovelady, not Oswald as alleged.
I append David Josephs at 392 for the summation of the winning argument:
As I tried to explained to Jim... you can have 10,000 points of self realized MATCHING going on in those PHOTOS... One 100% MISMATCH and the shirts CANNOT be the same...
You know Jim... On false statement in a series of truths still renders the statement false... even though PARTS are true...
1) Doorman's hair is more abundant, like Oswald's, and you can clearly see it going up from the top center of his head in Altgens6 and coming around from the left side of his temple; Doorman's hair is not real short and fuzzy like Lovelady's FBI photo. Lovelady's round dome topped head does not match the flat topped cranium of Doorman (Lee Oswald).
Please see posted image... Lovelady and Doorman's heads MATCH... 99%
2) The picture shown, of Oswald in the elevator, has his left cuff pushed up because he is in handcuffs. The photo of the bogus Lovelady at the Dallas PD is not legit. How can anyone take you seriously when you can't even distinguish between Billy Lovelady and this guy who looks like a gorilla? It's pretty embarrassing, since we have emphasized it so many places.
Lovelady is sitting at the desk arms completely bent and the sleeve STILL reaches his hand... PLUS fromthe notes YOU JIM USED to determine he was OUT FRONT, also tells us he changed his shirt...
Why do you ignore this repeatedly? Talk about playing games and misleading an audience.... FRITZ'S notes supplied you with this lead
FRITZ's notes destroys your analysis from the start... he changed his shirt... Altgens 6, even if it was Oswald, CANNOT be MATCHED using a shirt that had not yet been worn that day...
DEAL with it Jim... without the insults.
3) Doorman's (Oswald) T-shirt is a thumb-tugged V-neck, which we have shown in many photos and collages, which was confirmed not to be a shadow by Ralph Cinque during the Dallas photo shoot, which no one here is discussing.
My 6 points plainly shows how this shirt has a perfectly round collar... not until AFTER HIS ARREST does this shirt exhibit any PULLED collar...
MAYBE one of the 6 cops that wrestled him stretched his shirt... possible?
4) The bone structure of Doorman's head and face match Oswald; the Lovelady FBI photo was altered, where the bone structure was softened to look like Oswald.
BullSh!t Jim... Lovelady has cheekbones that almost cover his ears.... the right side face SHADOW is evident and MATCHES in BOTH Lovelady and Doorman...
5) Doorman's left cheek bone and ear are not clearly visible because the area is a mess of sloppy touch-up applied to Doorman's left cheek all the way over into Black Tie Man's neck.
uh... right... Cart - meet horse... Again Jim, you sound like Specter. "The headshot couldn't be from the front since the killer was shooting from behind"
6) Doorman's nose is crooked because it was altered; there are cut marks, in the shape of a cresent, across his nose bridge to his right ear and back under his nose to his left ear. The crescent cut-out was not centered correctly.
Now you're just grasping for ANYTHING... and it's pretty pathetic Jim. You were WRONG about the math, WRONG about the probability and WRONG about the MATCHES
You Dont' seem to want to address YOUR reliability with YOUR 50 matches to arrive an a reliable probability
not do you even consider the myraid of items that completely REFUTE your findings...
Did you recently attend a class given by Bugliosi on how to obscure reasonbing when supporting evidence is impossible to produce?
Jim - you have ESTABLISHED no such thing. YOU HAVE guessed and decided unilaterally what does and doesn't MATCH... and from what I saw you were not even CLOSE to 50/50 on the probability of a MATCH being real or imagined...
What's 50 to the 50th power Jim? [TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD] 1,125,899,906,842,620 to 1.... and that's if you got it 50% right ![/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Deciding on your own what is and isn't a MATCH is like letting the CIA tell us their role in the assassination.... it's BS.
Jim... the fact you are well known and others look to you for some direction in this case has now become a running joke.
You've used this position to promote a terribley poor excuse for an argument and photographic proof...
Even Lamson sees you for what you and Ralph are....
So if indeed there is a special place for those that expose supposed CONSPIRACY RESEARCHERS (one of our "own") for offering a misguided and ultimately incorrect assessment of the images and events from that day,
while glossing over all of the evidence AGAINST such a conclusion... I'm ready for my name tag...
HELLO, My name is DJ and I exposed Jim Fetzer's misrepresentations about Doorman in the Altgen 6 photo for the nonsense it is.
Now he's all defensive about it and behaving like a disgruntled 5 year old instead of the learned professor, author, & researcher he supposedly is...
One gets the impression that Jim Fetzer thinks he's never been wrong about ANYTHING....
When and if you attempt to rebutt the argument I put forth instead of tap dancing around with veiled ad homs and little girl tactics... let us know.
Jim... you sir have become one of the GREAT disappointments and laughing stocks of the JFK research community...
That you choose this worthless area to make a stand, belittle the JFK community and ruin a career is YOUR call.... just know that I will now think of you in the same breath as Posner, Myers and Bugliosi
Men who have used their positions to promote completely undefensible arguments all for self promotion...
Sad... just sad.
The persistent attempt to use the Bark-Like-A-Dog-At-The-Out-Of-Bounds-Line is noted, the reliable bleating of Our Lady of Perpetual Offense the counterpoint to Oz peeing on our leg, roaring that it's raining.
The true offense is at the murder, and all those who obscure its accessories.
All else is bathos, insincere or overdone pathos.
Oswald's in the lunchroom; Lovelady's in the doorway.
Watch the first step: it's a killer:
I append David Josephs at 392 for the summation of the winning argument:
As I tried to explained to Jim... you can have 10,000 points of self realized MATCHING going on in those PHOTOS... One 100% MISMATCH and the shirts CANNOT be the same...
You know Jim... On false statement in a series of truths still renders the statement false... even though PARTS are true...
1) Doorman's hair is more abundant, like Oswald's, and you can clearly see it going up from the top center of his head in Altgens6 and coming around from the left side of his temple; Doorman's hair is not real short and fuzzy like Lovelady's FBI photo. Lovelady's round dome topped head does not match the flat topped cranium of Doorman (Lee Oswald).
Please see posted image... Lovelady and Doorman's heads MATCH... 99%
2) The picture shown, of Oswald in the elevator, has his left cuff pushed up because he is in handcuffs. The photo of the bogus Lovelady at the Dallas PD is not legit. How can anyone take you seriously when you can't even distinguish between Billy Lovelady and this guy who looks like a gorilla? It's pretty embarrassing, since we have emphasized it so many places.
Lovelady is sitting at the desk arms completely bent and the sleeve STILL reaches his hand... PLUS fromthe notes YOU JIM USED to determine he was OUT FRONT, also tells us he changed his shirt...
Why do you ignore this repeatedly? Talk about playing games and misleading an audience.... FRITZ'S notes supplied you with this lead
FRITZ's notes destroys your analysis from the start... he changed his shirt... Altgens 6, even if it was Oswald, CANNOT be MATCHED using a shirt that had not yet been worn that day...
DEAL with it Jim... without the insults.
3) Doorman's (Oswald) T-shirt is a thumb-tugged V-neck, which we have shown in many photos and collages, which was confirmed not to be a shadow by Ralph Cinque during the Dallas photo shoot, which no one here is discussing.
My 6 points plainly shows how this shirt has a perfectly round collar... not until AFTER HIS ARREST does this shirt exhibit any PULLED collar...
MAYBE one of the 6 cops that wrestled him stretched his shirt... possible?
4) The bone structure of Doorman's head and face match Oswald; the Lovelady FBI photo was altered, where the bone structure was softened to look like Oswald.
BullSh!t Jim... Lovelady has cheekbones that almost cover his ears.... the right side face SHADOW is evident and MATCHES in BOTH Lovelady and Doorman...
5) Doorman's left cheek bone and ear are not clearly visible because the area is a mess of sloppy touch-up applied to Doorman's left cheek all the way over into Black Tie Man's neck.
uh... right... Cart - meet horse... Again Jim, you sound like Specter. "The headshot couldn't be from the front since the killer was shooting from behind"
6) Doorman's nose is crooked because it was altered; there are cut marks, in the shape of a cresent, across his nose bridge to his right ear and back under his nose to his left ear. The crescent cut-out was not centered correctly.
Now you're just grasping for ANYTHING... and it's pretty pathetic Jim. You were WRONG about the math, WRONG about the probability and WRONG about the MATCHES
You Dont' seem to want to address YOUR reliability with YOUR 50 matches to arrive an a reliable probability
not do you even consider the myraid of items that completely REFUTE your findings...
Did you recently attend a class given by Bugliosi on how to obscure reasonbing when supporting evidence is impossible to produce?
Jim - you have ESTABLISHED no such thing. YOU HAVE guessed and decided unilaterally what does and doesn't MATCH... and from what I saw you were not even CLOSE to 50/50 on the probability of a MATCH being real or imagined...
What's 50 to the 50th power Jim? [TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD] 1,125,899,906,842,620 to 1.... and that's if you got it 50% right ![/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Deciding on your own what is and isn't a MATCH is like letting the CIA tell us their role in the assassination.... it's BS.
Jim... the fact you are well known and others look to you for some direction in this case has now become a running joke.
You've used this position to promote a terribley poor excuse for an argument and photographic proof...
Even Lamson sees you for what you and Ralph are....
So if indeed there is a special place for those that expose supposed CONSPIRACY RESEARCHERS (one of our "own") for offering a misguided and ultimately incorrect assessment of the images and events from that day,
while glossing over all of the evidence AGAINST such a conclusion... I'm ready for my name tag...
HELLO, My name is DJ and I exposed Jim Fetzer's misrepresentations about Doorman in the Altgen 6 photo for the nonsense it is.
Now he's all defensive about it and behaving like a disgruntled 5 year old instead of the learned professor, author, & researcher he supposedly is...
One gets the impression that Jim Fetzer thinks he's never been wrong about ANYTHING....
When and if you attempt to rebutt the argument I put forth instead of tap dancing around with veiled ad homs and little girl tactics... let us know.
Jim... you sir have become one of the GREAT disappointments and laughing stocks of the JFK research community...
That you choose this worthless area to make a stand, belittle the JFK community and ruin a career is YOUR call.... just know that I will now think of you in the same breath as Posner, Myers and Bugliosi
Men who have used their positions to promote completely undefensible arguments all for self promotion...
Sad... just sad.
The persistent attempt to use the Bark-Like-A-Dog-At-The-Out-Of-Bounds-Line is noted, the reliable bleating of Our Lady of Perpetual Offense the counterpoint to Oz peeing on our leg, roaring that it's raining.
The true offense is at the murder, and all those who obscure its accessories.
All else is bathos, insincere or overdone pathos.
Oswald's in the lunchroom; Lovelady's in the doorway.
Watch the first step: it's a killer: