Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[Albert Doyle]

Well Albert... I am trying to say that the Echevarria quote had to do with Anti-Castro Cuba's NEW BACKERS... not JFK's assassination.

And of course if ther was involvement it would have been before 11/21... but NEW BACKERS as of that day equated to Israel, to me, is a stretch that requires a bit more citing of evidence.

I'm not sure if you've read Final Judgment? Piper does a good job of showing how those two interests, Castro and Dallas, were practically indistinguishable according to the needs of the cabal. As I already wrote, those who assassinated Kennedy were taking care of the wants of different groups like the Israelis and the Cubans. However if you read Piper you'll see their interests were merged through the Mediterranean underground Swiss bank dirty money laundry network that directly benefited all involved as one mutual cause.

With all due respect your entry reads like an attempt to ignore all this and seek a separation between those interests that Piper has already disproven. There's a reason the exiles were so involved in the assassination and it isn't because those actions were mutually exclusive. Again, if you read Final Judgment you'll find the evidence you call for explained in extensive detail. Also, if you read these posts, you still haven't explained what exactly Echevarria meant by that? Like I said before, there's no doubt Echevarria was referring to a new group of backers other than the previous group. Well, the previous group was everyone we already know, like JMWAVE, the Banister group, the Sturgis Miami group, Ruby, Interpen, etc.. So why would Echevarria be referring to this new group specifically as "Jews"? And who then does that make them? What Piper does a good job of showing is how this Lansky-led jewish syndicate treasurer group was, to a man, zealously pro-zionist. He also shows how this loyalty was bound in concrete through the Mediterranean underground and Swiss money laundry banks. I bet some who have been getting away with dismissing all this as "anti-semitism" are itching to accuse me of that, however, as is apparent from their silence, Piper's evidence wins-out over those accusations because it is based in provable fact. Sorry, David, but I think it's obvious you're asking for evidence beyond the obvious and the only way you can float your position is if you ignore the death struggle Ben Gurion had with Kennedy over nuclear weapons and the timeliness of Echevarria's comment. Not being able to describe who those "new jew backers" were is, to me, like saying "I need you to prove the spark was responsible for the explosion." The onus is clearly backwards here, in my opinion. I also think the Liberty was directly related to the free feeling this cabal had over what they had gotten away with with Kennedy. Something, no matter how some try to assign it to rogues, was inevitably protected by their host bureaucracies.

Did the Mossad, Mafia, CIA, SS, FBI, MIC, ONI, etc, etc... kill JFK? No
Did MEMBERS of these organizations get manipulated into a position to cooperate or else...and manipulate others to do the same?

To me, that's a big yes.

My problem with this is that you just admitted Mossad probably did have some involvement. (Angleton was directly involved in the formation of Mossad through the OSS) If you mention the involvement of any of those other groups you'll have no problem. However if you mention the involvement of Mossad you'll be crushed and vilified as a vile anti-semite. Even by conspiracy exposers. Perhaps Piper ignored the greater evidence to flirt with the suggestion Ben Gurion was the Sponsor and initiator. He's wrong on that because a total analysis of the entire conspiracy shows it predates Ben Gurion's problem and originates from US-oriented groups and interests. However he's dead-on in showing the network that Israel was tied to as facilitators. Something no serious, objective Assassination researcher has the right to ignore or dismiss as "anti-semitism".

Who were the 'Jews' Echevarria was referring to? And what was their agenda? Honestly David, which cause would "new backer jews" be more likely to get behind, Cuba or Dimona? And do you understand that the network Piper elaborates shows that support of Cuba was indeed support of Dimona through that network?


Unfortunately Piper's evidence makes frightening sense. There's another consideration that probably drove Ben Gurion to the breaking point. If his consent in Kennedy's assassination was exposed it might threaten the future existence of his nation. If somehow the fact Ben Gurion, or zionist covert interests, participated in Kennedy's assassination got out and was known by the American public it could possibly cause fatal political damage to Israel. That was something Ben Gurion had to weigh. The only way he would give approval to 'new jew backers' would be if CIA gave a guarantee that this information would never the see the light of day in the US media. And, once again, low and behold, what do we see post-assassination? We see an unprecedented Operation Mockingbird censoring and corruption of the US media directly oriented to this interest. Again, David, forgive me if I groan slightly when you so sincerely call for evidence...