13-08-2012, 02:00 PM
All good and thoughtful suggestions Magda but I should probably make clearer what I maybe didn't make clear enough in my earlier post - the entire film is - I could be wrong, but this is the impression I have - apparently already finished and doesn't need any further funds or technical assistance for completion. Jonathan (if his Facebook comments can be believed) finished the entire film (including final cut, audio and graphics) in mid to late March of this year and was preparing to upload it. He was excited about it and posted links to the trailer on various friend's pages, including Peter Dale Scott's. Then - after some three years of work - something happened to change Jonathan's mind about releasing it, and to convince him to throw all that work away. What is being abandoned is not just three years of documentary work, but three years of investigative work into the event. Jonathan also mentioned in an interview a year or two ago that various whistleblowers were present in the film - I don't know if he was referring here to folks already on the record like Sibel Edmonds, William Rodriguez etc or new folk that hadn't yet been made public, but he mentioned there were over a dozen that were to be featured in ECHOES OF TREASON and further sequels.
Digging around, some materials for the film are still online. This is the 2009 era trailer for the sequel, ECHOES OF TREASON, which offered the first hints about its content. Jonathan made reference to the audio transcript featured in this clip in a later interview as being of notable importance. I agree but would have liked to have seen where he was going with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thdA1MZAFnM
Jonathan has also been training in motion graphics (he mentioned he was going to do graphics for the new film himself) and this Vimeo clip is a collection of four or more different promotional pieces he designed to promote the film, and also promote his own skills as a video designer to other companies. Most of this clip is just flashy graphics (much slicker than those from the first film, and you'll feel the repetition when you watch it) but in a couple of spots references are made to chapters of content from the movie itself. He also mentions a release date during this clip. These type of motion graphics showreels usually have upbeat music and are perhaps geared more towards viewing by production companies than the general public, and this one is no exception. The 'missing' trailer was quite different though.
http://vimeo.com/36364135
The 'missing trailer taken offline was composed entirely of clips from the movie. It was sombre, enticing, and quite gripping. A link to that 'missing' trailer is still present at the bottom of the following link (it's the Youtube clip with a listed running time of 15 minutes, and features a shot of a religious ceremony at Ground Zero) but clicking on it marks it as private and unwatchable.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com.au/2012...eason.html
One major contributing factor towards Jonathan's decision to abandon his documentary seems to be his role in the arrest and conviction of Arapahoe Sheriff Pat Sullivan. Jonathan Elinoff played a major part in Sullivan's arrest, and briefly uploaded a detailed, transcript and Youtube video testimony-heavy page of data regarding the background of Sullivan's crimes and what it may have been linked to. The pages - at NewWorldOrderReport.com - have now been taken down, and I really regret not copying all the text and data from it while it was still online. Elinoff was granted interviews with (or interviewed himself) various witnesses, and his info page had a great deal of disturbing data that never appeared in mainstream media reports (what a surprise). If you search Youtube for general mainstream stories about the Pat Sullivan arrest, Jonathan Elinoff is featured in more than one interview giving details about his role in the saga. (Elinoff's role in the story was surreal to watch at the time, as he had 'privately' broken some of the details on the Kevin Barrett show - in a tense interview where he sounded incredibly stressed - weeks before the story broke widely, or before Sullivan was even arrested.) Some of the events, and Jonathan's now removed info page, are discussed at the following link -
http://holyhexes.blogspot.com.au/2012/05...andal.html
Jonathan mentioned that Sullivan had placed a former male prostitute and drug abuser in a role as security guard at a local school, and that he'd also seen video footage of Sullivan raping underage children. Some victims, now adults, appeared in the Youtube clips on the removed info page. Elinoff also mentioned by name various witnesses and Sullivan accomplices that had turned up dead, floating in a river, murdered etc at various points, and also that various authorities had deliberately avoided going after Sullivan. There was a suggestion that Sullivan had placed the aforementioned crim in charge of security at a local school both for drug-dealing, and for an unmentioned role in steering 'troubled' youths into the hands of particular authorities, or worse. The above 'Holy Hexes' site mentions child trafficking, and Elinoff mentioned this on his info page, plus in some Facebook posts, and in private conversation. If Sullivan was running child trafficking, or protecting it and allowing it to occur, it could explain his own 'protected' status (care of his superiors who condoned the practice for reasons awful to contemplate). Jonathan mentioned the Franklin Scandal as a reference in private conversation.
Circa this period (and just prior to the completion of the documentary) Jonathan mentioned his server had been hacked, though he didn't specify what was lost, and it's unclear to me whether the hack was likely related to his film, to the Sullivan investigation, or both. Also around this time, (and Jonathan never gave additional details), a gun was pulled on him in one encounter, (possibly by an edgy witness, or an accomplice to same - that's a guess though and I could be wrong about who it was). Elinoff was pulled into the Sullivan story when some Sullivan victims approached him after hearing Elinoff help talk - live on air - an armed fugitive to give himself in at a police station, when Jonathan was working on the Tom Martino(?) show in Colorado. Martino also briefly featured at the beginning of the withdrawn ECHOES OF TREASON trailer, giving his endorsement to the film and asserting that he found Elinoff's belief in a conspiracy to be credible.
On the Kevin Barrett show, Elinoff mentioned that part of his film discussed the story of Delmart Vreeland, the oddball figure profiled earlier in Ruppert's CROSSING THE RUBICON and the Sander Hicks THE BIG WEDDING volume. With the above Pat Sullivan story in mind, I note on Vreeland's Wikipedia page that Vreeland was sentenced in 2008 to life in prison for inducement of child prostitution, luring boys to have sex on camera and distributing cocaine. Quite a coincidence. Elinoff was investigating the Vreeland story, or had already investigated it and possibly gathered new evidence (Elinoff had spoken to whistleblowers in various locations and travelled to Florida to dig up dirt) when - by a coincidence of events - he was pulled into the Pat Sullivan saga and became a major figure in Sullivan's arrest. Sullivan served 30 days in jail, not exactly the hoped for result after Jonathan had gone on the record as the main figure responsible for his arrest.
Around this time Jonathan mentioned how unhappy he was that the mainstream media had neglected to follow up the links and testimony and evidence he had collected, at great personal risk, concerning Sullivan's activities as a potential murderer and child trafficker. Why would the above pursuade Jonathan to pull his documentary on 9/11? Some of the answers are speculation, but I speculate simply as Jonathan told me some additional details in private, and the details he gave me suggest that the two, very seperate investigations listed above may have eventually converged. I'll post some final details shortly.
Digging around, some materials for the film are still online. This is the 2009 era trailer for the sequel, ECHOES OF TREASON, which offered the first hints about its content. Jonathan made reference to the audio transcript featured in this clip in a later interview as being of notable importance. I agree but would have liked to have seen where he was going with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thdA1MZAFnM
Jonathan has also been training in motion graphics (he mentioned he was going to do graphics for the new film himself) and this Vimeo clip is a collection of four or more different promotional pieces he designed to promote the film, and also promote his own skills as a video designer to other companies. Most of this clip is just flashy graphics (much slicker than those from the first film, and you'll feel the repetition when you watch it) but in a couple of spots references are made to chapters of content from the movie itself. He also mentions a release date during this clip. These type of motion graphics showreels usually have upbeat music and are perhaps geared more towards viewing by production companies than the general public, and this one is no exception. The 'missing' trailer was quite different though.
http://vimeo.com/36364135
The 'missing trailer taken offline was composed entirely of clips from the movie. It was sombre, enticing, and quite gripping. A link to that 'missing' trailer is still present at the bottom of the following link (it's the Youtube clip with a listed running time of 15 minutes, and features a shot of a religious ceremony at Ground Zero) but clicking on it marks it as private and unwatchable.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com.au/2012...eason.html
One major contributing factor towards Jonathan's decision to abandon his documentary seems to be his role in the arrest and conviction of Arapahoe Sheriff Pat Sullivan. Jonathan Elinoff played a major part in Sullivan's arrest, and briefly uploaded a detailed, transcript and Youtube video testimony-heavy page of data regarding the background of Sullivan's crimes and what it may have been linked to. The pages - at NewWorldOrderReport.com - have now been taken down, and I really regret not copying all the text and data from it while it was still online. Elinoff was granted interviews with (or interviewed himself) various witnesses, and his info page had a great deal of disturbing data that never appeared in mainstream media reports (what a surprise). If you search Youtube for general mainstream stories about the Pat Sullivan arrest, Jonathan Elinoff is featured in more than one interview giving details about his role in the saga. (Elinoff's role in the story was surreal to watch at the time, as he had 'privately' broken some of the details on the Kevin Barrett show - in a tense interview where he sounded incredibly stressed - weeks before the story broke widely, or before Sullivan was even arrested.) Some of the events, and Jonathan's now removed info page, are discussed at the following link -
http://holyhexes.blogspot.com.au/2012/05...andal.html
Jonathan mentioned that Sullivan had placed a former male prostitute and drug abuser in a role as security guard at a local school, and that he'd also seen video footage of Sullivan raping underage children. Some victims, now adults, appeared in the Youtube clips on the removed info page. Elinoff also mentioned by name various witnesses and Sullivan accomplices that had turned up dead, floating in a river, murdered etc at various points, and also that various authorities had deliberately avoided going after Sullivan. There was a suggestion that Sullivan had placed the aforementioned crim in charge of security at a local school both for drug-dealing, and for an unmentioned role in steering 'troubled' youths into the hands of particular authorities, or worse. The above 'Holy Hexes' site mentions child trafficking, and Elinoff mentioned this on his info page, plus in some Facebook posts, and in private conversation. If Sullivan was running child trafficking, or protecting it and allowing it to occur, it could explain his own 'protected' status (care of his superiors who condoned the practice for reasons awful to contemplate). Jonathan mentioned the Franklin Scandal as a reference in private conversation.
Circa this period (and just prior to the completion of the documentary) Jonathan mentioned his server had been hacked, though he didn't specify what was lost, and it's unclear to me whether the hack was likely related to his film, to the Sullivan investigation, or both. Also around this time, (and Jonathan never gave additional details), a gun was pulled on him in one encounter, (possibly by an edgy witness, or an accomplice to same - that's a guess though and I could be wrong about who it was). Elinoff was pulled into the Sullivan story when some Sullivan victims approached him after hearing Elinoff help talk - live on air - an armed fugitive to give himself in at a police station, when Jonathan was working on the Tom Martino(?) show in Colorado. Martino also briefly featured at the beginning of the withdrawn ECHOES OF TREASON trailer, giving his endorsement to the film and asserting that he found Elinoff's belief in a conspiracy to be credible.
On the Kevin Barrett show, Elinoff mentioned that part of his film discussed the story of Delmart Vreeland, the oddball figure profiled earlier in Ruppert's CROSSING THE RUBICON and the Sander Hicks THE BIG WEDDING volume. With the above Pat Sullivan story in mind, I note on Vreeland's Wikipedia page that Vreeland was sentenced in 2008 to life in prison for inducement of child prostitution, luring boys to have sex on camera and distributing cocaine. Quite a coincidence. Elinoff was investigating the Vreeland story, or had already investigated it and possibly gathered new evidence (Elinoff had spoken to whistleblowers in various locations and travelled to Florida to dig up dirt) when - by a coincidence of events - he was pulled into the Pat Sullivan saga and became a major figure in Sullivan's arrest. Sullivan served 30 days in jail, not exactly the hoped for result after Jonathan had gone on the record as the main figure responsible for his arrest.
Around this time Jonathan mentioned how unhappy he was that the mainstream media had neglected to follow up the links and testimony and evidence he had collected, at great personal risk, concerning Sullivan's activities as a potential murderer and child trafficker. Why would the above pursuade Jonathan to pull his documentary on 9/11? Some of the answers are speculation, but I speculate simply as Jonathan told me some additional details in private, and the details he gave me suggest that the two, very seperate investigations listed above may have eventually converged. I'll post some final details shortly.