24-03-2009, 03:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 24-03-2009, 04:07 PM by Linda Minor.)
In my opinion Crisman's importance stems from this portion of his background from the timeline at the link which Ron posted but then overlooked:
"FLC recruited into the OSS to be trained as a liaison officer with the British Royal Air Force. Assigned to the China-Burma-India theater"
When he returned to Tacoma, Washington after the war, he becomes involved with a man named Harold Dahl and his son who were allegedly observers of UFO at Maury Island. Neither of the Dahls was ever clearly identified. There was a junk dealer named Harold Dahl living in Washington, who may have been the person mentioned:
"Four people, including Harold Dahl and his son, witnessed the event from a salvage boat in a nearby bay. They reported seeing six doughnut-shaped craft, approximately 20 feet in diameter, hovering high above. Five of the craft formed a circle surrounding a craft in the middle that was wobbling badly. The seemingly damaged craft suddenly dropped down about 700 feet, then spewed two substances -- one was a paper-like metal that floated in the bay and the other was a hot, steaming, black sludge that rained down, striking Dahl's son and killing his dog. Dahl reported these events to Fred Crisman, a man he believed to have some connections in the intelligence community.
Crisman subsequently went to Maury Island to investigate the incident. He found a great deal of both materials on the shore and recovered some for himself. Soon thereafter, Crisman shared his experience with Ray Palmer, a magazine publisher, who then hired Kenneth Arnold (the original pilot) to investigate further. Three days later, Arnold had more sightings, culminating with a woman recovering some unusual material in the same vicinity, who then turned the material over to FBI agent Guy Banister. Capt. Lee Davidson and Lt. Frank Brown, Air Force investigators under the command of Gen. Nathan Twining, soon joined Arnold in retrieving debris on Maury Island. Ultimately, Crisman was compelled to turn over his samples to the two Air Force investigators.
Classified documents, recently discovered under the freedom of information act, also indicate that Crisman turned additional samples he had held back over to CIA agent Clay Shaw." http://www.the-boondocks.org/forum/index...&frm_id=19
What is intriguing to me is that there was another man named Harold E. (Whitey) Dahl, an internationally-known American pilot from Champaign, Ill., who had served with loyalist forces in Spain during its civil war, then was captured by Franco in 1937. During his imprisonment, his blonde "wife," actress Edith Rogers, who was "appearing as a singer and a violinist at a Philadelphia theater" at the time of his release, had written and sent her picture to Franco to try to obtain his freedom. Whitey was freed "after dodging a Spanish Nationalist firing squad and spending almost three years In prison" in March 1940. Later news reports indicated Edith was only posing as his wife.
Five years later his name turned up again in the news when he was "acquitted on 10 of 14 charges by an R.C.A.F. court martial" but dismissed from the Royal Canadian Air Force. His crime was "disposing of $650 worth of RCAF property, including a vacuum cleaner and two rafts, while stationed in Brazil" where he was commander of a transport unit of the RAF.
The most telling story about Whitey was disseminated in 1958 by the infamous NAMA, the North American Newspaper Alliance acquired by Ernest L. Cuneo in the mid-1950's. The headline read " Civilization and Changing Times Can't Deter Soldiers of Fortune."
A New York lawyer, Cuneo was associate counsel to the Democratic National Committee during the FDR administration and was close to the clique involving another British spy named Dahl, Roald Dahl, the children's author, who was the subject of a recent book by Jennet Conant called "The Irregulars."
In my opinion, Crisman and Whitey Dahl were actively working for the same unit of intelligence for which Roald Dahl worked. When you read The Irregulars, you get a sense that the British had no respect for any "special relationship" with America. They only had respect for their own investments and their own economy and were out to subvert whatever attempts the Americans would make to end their colonial enterprise. This was done through propaganda of the highest order directed at Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt and especially FDR's then vice-president Henry A. Wallace, who wanted to force the Brits to compete against American private interests in air routes after the war.
It is my belief that Crisman, another American mercenary, was on the payroll of that same British intelligence group attempting to find out what was going on at the Tacoma plant of Boeing. The propaganda machine was geared up to create the stories about extra-terrestrials in a similar vein with the work of Derek Dempster (related to Ferguson Dempster) from BOAC who left the RAF to publish another rag about flying saucers. http://www.fsr.org.uk/fsrintroduction.html
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/upda...-007.shtml
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....ster&st=45
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....l=dempster
It should also be remembered that Clay Shaw was also very close to men in high British circles while he served in Europe during WWII.
"FLC recruited into the OSS to be trained as a liaison officer with the British Royal Air Force. Assigned to the China-Burma-India theater"
When he returned to Tacoma, Washington after the war, he becomes involved with a man named Harold Dahl and his son who were allegedly observers of UFO at Maury Island. Neither of the Dahls was ever clearly identified. There was a junk dealer named Harold Dahl living in Washington, who may have been the person mentioned:
"Four people, including Harold Dahl and his son, witnessed the event from a salvage boat in a nearby bay. They reported seeing six doughnut-shaped craft, approximately 20 feet in diameter, hovering high above. Five of the craft formed a circle surrounding a craft in the middle that was wobbling badly. The seemingly damaged craft suddenly dropped down about 700 feet, then spewed two substances -- one was a paper-like metal that floated in the bay and the other was a hot, steaming, black sludge that rained down, striking Dahl's son and killing his dog. Dahl reported these events to Fred Crisman, a man he believed to have some connections in the intelligence community.
Crisman subsequently went to Maury Island to investigate the incident. He found a great deal of both materials on the shore and recovered some for himself. Soon thereafter, Crisman shared his experience with Ray Palmer, a magazine publisher, who then hired Kenneth Arnold (the original pilot) to investigate further. Three days later, Arnold had more sightings, culminating with a woman recovering some unusual material in the same vicinity, who then turned the material over to FBI agent Guy Banister. Capt. Lee Davidson and Lt. Frank Brown, Air Force investigators under the command of Gen. Nathan Twining, soon joined Arnold in retrieving debris on Maury Island. Ultimately, Crisman was compelled to turn over his samples to the two Air Force investigators.
Classified documents, recently discovered under the freedom of information act, also indicate that Crisman turned additional samples he had held back over to CIA agent Clay Shaw." http://www.the-boondocks.org/forum/index...&frm_id=19
What is intriguing to me is that there was another man named Harold E. (Whitey) Dahl, an internationally-known American pilot from Champaign, Ill., who had served with loyalist forces in Spain during its civil war, then was captured by Franco in 1937. During his imprisonment, his blonde "wife," actress Edith Rogers, who was "appearing as a singer and a violinist at a Philadelphia theater" at the time of his release, had written and sent her picture to Franco to try to obtain his freedom. Whitey was freed "after dodging a Spanish Nationalist firing squad and spending almost three years In prison" in March 1940. Later news reports indicated Edith was only posing as his wife.
Five years later his name turned up again in the news when he was "acquitted on 10 of 14 charges by an R.C.A.F. court martial" but dismissed from the Royal Canadian Air Force. His crime was "disposing of $650 worth of RCAF property, including a vacuum cleaner and two rafts, while stationed in Brazil" where he was commander of a transport unit of the RAF.
The most telling story about Whitey was disseminated in 1958 by the infamous NAMA, the North American Newspaper Alliance acquired by Ernest L. Cuneo in the mid-1950's. The headline read " Civilization and Changing Times Can't Deter Soldiers of Fortune."
A New York lawyer, Cuneo was associate counsel to the Democratic National Committee during the FDR administration and was close to the clique involving another British spy named Dahl, Roald Dahl, the children's author, who was the subject of a recent book by Jennet Conant called "The Irregulars."
In my opinion, Crisman and Whitey Dahl were actively working for the same unit of intelligence for which Roald Dahl worked. When you read The Irregulars, you get a sense that the British had no respect for any "special relationship" with America. They only had respect for their own investments and their own economy and were out to subvert whatever attempts the Americans would make to end their colonial enterprise. This was done through propaganda of the highest order directed at Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt and especially FDR's then vice-president Henry A. Wallace, who wanted to force the Brits to compete against American private interests in air routes after the war.
It is my belief that Crisman, another American mercenary, was on the payroll of that same British intelligence group attempting to find out what was going on at the Tacoma plant of Boeing. The propaganda machine was geared up to create the stories about extra-terrestrials in a similar vein with the work of Derek Dempster (related to Ferguson Dempster) from BOAC who left the RAF to publish another rag about flying saucers. http://www.fsr.org.uk/fsrintroduction.html
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/upda...-007.shtml
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....ster&st=45
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....l=dempster
It should also be remembered that Clay Shaw was also very close to men in high British circles while he served in Europe during WWII.
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