04-08-2011, 02:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2011, 03:38 PM by Charles Drago.)
Jim,
It is out of the utmost respect for your dedication to truth and justice that I choose to try to explain myself further.
First things first: The quote is bastardized from Patton; in the film's dramatization of a historical event, it is spoken by the Sultan of Morocco as he bestows upon the American general the Order of Ouissam Alaouite in recognition of the latter's taking of Casablanca in just four days. The actual citation was read in French: "Les Lions dans leurs tanières tremblent en le voyant approcher." It translates as, "The lions in their dens tremble at his approach."
On to your other points:
1. I wholly agree that "high level CIA and Pentagon" officers were involved in the JFK conspiracy at the highest Facilitator level. But absent his presentation (to my knowledge) of a cogent conspiracy model, Schotz leaves me to infer that he assigns Sponsor status to this group. Such an elevation is inconsistent with my view of the world in general and the conspiracy in particular. Accordingly, it is wholly unacceptable to me.
2. My "Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Illuminati ... " reference was crafted with poetic license and more than a soupçon of sarcasm. You surely are at liberty to read it as "pretentious," as I am at liberty to assure you that in point of fact it was not made in anything resembling such a spirit. "Nebulous," however, is spot-on.
3. Evica's interest in Gibson's work is undeniable, and to a significant degree it mirrors my own. But if we are to investigate "Wall Street" with the thought that the conspiracy's sponsors are to be found in highest finance, then we must accept that financial power at the level we're looking at is supra-national in nature and scope. I do not absolve "America," but I do conclude that the JFK hit's Sponsors long ago had abandoned nation-centered identification and patriotism. Indeed, patriotism and the xenophobia it generates are but tools used by a powerful minority to keep the Great Unwashed confused and at each others' throats.
4. For me, The Lie is ancient and chameleon-like. During the Cold War it manifested in the East v. West/Capitalism v. Communism construct. Today, as it has been in the distant past, The Lie presents as the so-called Clash of Civilizations. As always it is predicated on and manipulative of biology and psychology: bi-polar systems, false either/or choices ... "You're either with us or with the terrorists."
Further, when I identify The Lie as the true Sponsor of the JFK conspiracy, I can't help but think of the Terminator film series (how's that for a step back from pretention!): Skynet became conscious.
And so the lie became The Lie -- a universal governing structure so entrenched and virtually omnipotent that not even its most powerful Facilitators can fight it.
_____________________
Again, I would ask all committed JFK researchers to share with our community their respective conspiracy models. To do so would be to limit the "confusion" that you, Jim, properly condemn.
Charles
It is out of the utmost respect for your dedication to truth and justice that I choose to try to explain myself further.
First things first: The quote is bastardized from Patton; in the film's dramatization of a historical event, it is spoken by the Sultan of Morocco as he bestows upon the American general the Order of Ouissam Alaouite in recognition of the latter's taking of Casablanca in just four days. The actual citation was read in French: "Les Lions dans leurs tanières tremblent en le voyant approcher." It translates as, "The lions in their dens tremble at his approach."
On to your other points:
1. I wholly agree that "high level CIA and Pentagon" officers were involved in the JFK conspiracy at the highest Facilitator level. But absent his presentation (to my knowledge) of a cogent conspiracy model, Schotz leaves me to infer that he assigns Sponsor status to this group. Such an elevation is inconsistent with my view of the world in general and the conspiracy in particular. Accordingly, it is wholly unacceptable to me.
2. My "Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Illuminati ... " reference was crafted with poetic license and more than a soupçon of sarcasm. You surely are at liberty to read it as "pretentious," as I am at liberty to assure you that in point of fact it was not made in anything resembling such a spirit. "Nebulous," however, is spot-on.
3. Evica's interest in Gibson's work is undeniable, and to a significant degree it mirrors my own. But if we are to investigate "Wall Street" with the thought that the conspiracy's sponsors are to be found in highest finance, then we must accept that financial power at the level we're looking at is supra-national in nature and scope. I do not absolve "America," but I do conclude that the JFK hit's Sponsors long ago had abandoned nation-centered identification and patriotism. Indeed, patriotism and the xenophobia it generates are but tools used by a powerful minority to keep the Great Unwashed confused and at each others' throats.
4. For me, The Lie is ancient and chameleon-like. During the Cold War it manifested in the East v. West/Capitalism v. Communism construct. Today, as it has been in the distant past, The Lie presents as the so-called Clash of Civilizations. As always it is predicated on and manipulative of biology and psychology: bi-polar systems, false either/or choices ... "You're either with us or with the terrorists."
Further, when I identify The Lie as the true Sponsor of the JFK conspiracy, I can't help but think of the Terminator film series (how's that for a step back from pretention!): Skynet became conscious.
And so the lie became The Lie -- a universal governing structure so entrenched and virtually omnipotent that not even its most powerful Facilitators can fight it.
_____________________
Again, I would ask all committed JFK researchers to share with our community their respective conspiracy models. To do so would be to limit the "confusion" that you, Jim, properly condemn.
Charles
Charles Drago
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene
Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene