29-03-2011, 10:30 AM
Albert Doyle Wrote:Seamus Coogan Wrote:Zionists are not nice guys. In fact they suck!
But so do any group of religious quasi facists.
But don't tell me this bull that your mentioning Zionists and not Jewish people.
It's an old trick and about as dumb as saying Israel were the biggest benefactors from the assassination. It's silly.
But this is not the 'big white elephant in the room' either it's just anti Jewish paranoia. You can dress it up as much as you want. Anybody naive enough to think that one religious group or some country outside of the United States were the prime movers of the assassination cannot be taken seriously. I'm not going to bother replying too this thread again!
You have to be kidding me Seamus. This is all easily provable with simple research. Your last entry just flies straight in the face of the known and open relationship the US and its AIPAC lobby has with Israel. This is something that grew directly from Lyndon Johnson's economic, political, and military support of Israel. A documentable event as shown in Piper's book. The origins of the US's gigantic funding of Israel is directly traceable in reality and firm figures to the pivot point of the Kennedy Assassination. It's all shown in hard facts in Piper's 'Final Judgment'. It is factually accurate to say Israel was the biggest benefactor of the assassination because the present state between the US and Israel, with our huge government-dominating AIPAC lobby and its pursuant US policy towards Israel, all directly originate from Johnson's reversals of Kennedy's policies.
Frankly I'm surprised you would try to get away with what you wrote above. A simple look at 'Final Judgment' would give all the proof you need. Unfortunately, Seamus, your reaction is the typical reaction of those who don't want to admit the truth and once again pull-out the racist card in order to avoid having to discuss the facts. Some might even accuse you of cow-towing to the controlling group in order to gain favor - despite the researched facts. A simple way to show the mistake you make is to point out that you never once touch Piper's thesis, or, more importantly, his evidence. This tactic has been successfully used to prevent 'Final Judgment' from being publicly discussed.
In my opinion the naivete here is trying to get away with using accusations of racism to ignore the most powerful lobby in the universe and the US's relationship to it. Surely you are not trying to get away with ignoring the political dimensions of the US's relationship to Israel and how it is currently being used as a wedge in the Middle East. You're not trying to ignore, right in the middle of the room, books like Mearsheimer and Walt's, or even president Carter's open acknowledgement of the detrimental affect of the Israel lobby? There's too many mainstream publications like Finkelstein etc to try to suggest this entire world-dominating political relationship could be ignored by simply accusing people who expose it of racism?
The reason this is totally invalid is because it serves as an excuse to not discuss what Piper exposes in his book. He exposes a very real underground political power directly connected to the worst doings of the same covert underground that killed Kennedy. He exposes a shadow government run by CIA and Mossad in the Mediterranean that became a rogue CIA alternate government which could be depended on to back the JFK coup. If you try to ignore all this with claims of racism you fail to see that CIA very much does operate this way and the fact that the supporting power was overseas only helped them get out from underneath the control of the American government. To ignore all this is to ignore the very means by which CIA carried-out this operation. And to pretend the US doesn't have a very powerful relationship to Israel that has now usurped the Constitution and become our new national theme is to just deny reality. We are not over in the Middle East carrying-out the Project For A New American Century for no reason.
The reason Piper is critical to understanding the Kennedy Assassination is because he shows, beyond a doubt, that a mainline funding source had developed between the CIA and the American Syndicate that Israel was the main recipient of through Tibor Rosenbaum's Swiss Banque Du Credit Internacional. To ignore this is to ignore a prime motivation in the assassination that flourished and grew into the CONTRA cocaine economy and beyond. To try to ignore this with accusations of racism is just an excuse to not discuss Piper's evidence of Ben Gurion being forced-out of office because of a state of mental instability directly related to Kennedy's private negotiations with him. These letters are still classified. Hmm. Why would these political negotiations still be classified? Why are they in the same secret category as other highly sensitive documents related to the Assassination?
There's simple way to show who is right here. Ask Seamus to disprove anything Piper wrote. He won't be able to do it. No, if there's anything that flashing the racism card won't cover this is most certainly it! Why do you think his book is being attacked? I'm shocked that Kennedy researchers would practice the exact same methods as Warren Report defenders!
Albert I understand your frustrations. Yes, I agree and its one point I should have added to the points that I have made that far to often accusations of Anti Semitism and racism are thrown at people in the research field often on account of nothing said.
However a number of regimes benefited after he Kennedy assassination. Tell me how over joyed the Shah of Iran was to hear the news of the Pres's death how much did he go on to benefit look at Dudes like Mobutu. As for the crazy Christian and Jewish lobbies and so fourth I see no pattern but zealots and hardened capitalist neophytes like Crystal. The pattern is right wing paranoia and insanity.
This has reversed itself and come full circle in conspiratorial ramblings sadly.

