20-01-2011, 05:30 PM
S E C R E T STATE 064621
E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/22/2019
TAGS: AF, PREL, PGOV
SUBJECT: AFGHANISTAN - DOSTUM´S ROLE
Classified By: SRAP Richard C Holbrooke for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)
1. (U) This is an action request. Please see paragraph 5.
Post is requested to provide a response by close of business
Wednesday, June 24.
2. (SBU) Abdul Rashid Dostum left Afghanistan for Turkey in
2008, following the Akbar Boi incident in Kabul. He has
remained largely out of the Afghan public spotlight since
then, with the reformist elements of Junbesh taking charge
under Noorallah.
3. © We know that Dostum has promised Karzai the Junbesh /
Uzbek vote in the forthcoming Afghan Presidential elections.
What he is getting in return is unclear: there are rumors
that Dostum has been reinstated in his ceremonial role as
Chief of Staff to the Commander in Chief. We understand from
information in other channels that Dostum may be planning to
return to Afghanistan as part of this bargain. Akbar Boi has
threatened to release the (apparently written) text of the
original Dostum-Akbar Boi deal, brokered by Karzai and the
Palace, that effectively kept Dostum out of the country.
4. © Both former Foreign Minister Babacan and Foreign
Minister Davutogliu told Ambassador Holbrooke they would keep
Dostum in Turkey indefinitely.
5. (S) Action request: That Ambassador Jeffrey engage with
hosts at the highest level possible to establish their
understanding of the situation, and make clear that we would
not/not like to see Dostum return to Afghanistan.
6. (S) Karzai may resent our efforts to keep Dostum away. We
understand this risk but believe it will also send an
important signal to Karzai that the rules really have changed
and we will be tougher on important issues in his next term.
7. (U) Points of contact for this cable are [text removed by Aftenposten].
CLINTON
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/04/2018
TAGS: EAID, KDEM, PGOV, AF
SUBJECT: TURKS WANT DOSTUM TO STAY QUIET IN THE NORTH,
AMBASSADOR PRESSES FOR HIS DEPARTURE
REF: A. KABUL 303
B. ANKARA 217
Classified By: Ambassador William B. Wood for reasons 1.4 (B) and (D).
Summary
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1. © Turkish Ambassador to Afghanistan Ethem Tokdemir
conveyed to the Ambassador February 14 his government´s
intention to encourage the Afghan Government to permit Dostum
to return quietly to the north. Tokdemir passed a copy of
his talking points cautioning against actions leading to
instability or ethnic tensions and expressing skepticism that
Dostum would be willing to leave for Turkey. He confided
(protect) that he personally sees the Uzbek strongman as
incorrigible and knows him to be in poor health. The
Ambassador said sending Dostum back to his stronghold in the
North would not help Afghanistan and pressed for his
departure. Tokdemir said President Karzai will have the
chance to make his case when he meets the Turkish Foreign
Minister on February 16 in Qatar.
Turkish Ambassador Advocates Dostum´s Quiet Retreat
--------------------------------------------- ------
2. © Turkish Ambassador to Afghanistan Ethem Tokdemir
conveyed to the Ambassador February 14 Turkey´s intention to
encourage the Afghan Government to permit Dostum to return to
the north, where the Turks will encourage him to remain quiet
and keep a low profile. Tokdemir passed a copy of his
talking points expressing support for Dostum´s cooperation
against the Taliban, describing him as a partner for
stability, cautioning against actions that would lead to
instability or ethnic tensions, and expressing skepticism
that Dostum would be willing to leave for Turkey (paragraph
7). Tokdemir said the Turkish Foreign Minister hopes to meet
with President Karzai on February 16 at a conference in
Qatar, saying Karzai will have the chance to make his case.
Ambassador Presses to Help Afghanistan, Not Dostum
--------------------------------------------- -----
3. © The Ambassador said Turkey´s strategy in the north is
unclear. Turkey appears to be protecting Dostum rather than
the Turkic people in the North, who endure raids,
criminality, political fractiousness, and a crisis every six
months. He acknowledged that supporting action against
Dostum would be difficult for Turkey, but if no action is
taken the status quo will continue and Dostum will emerge
stronger. The U.S. will support whatever Karzai decides, but
there is no shortage of reasons to take action against Dostum
now.
4. © Tokdemir confided that he does not necessarily share
his government´s message. He believes Dostum is
incorrigible, recounting that he was drunk at 10 am when he
last met the Turkish prime minister, a devout Muslim.
Nevertheless, Tokdemir said Dostum is politically isolated
and Junbesh party members are trying to convince him to go to
the north and stay quiet. Tokdemir planned to tell Dostum
that he is "the natural leader of the Turkic people in
Afghanistan," but that he has "provoked too many problems."
Tokdemir acknowledged Turkey´s influence on Dostum, noting
that Dostum had said he had interpreted as "an order"
Turkey´s request to turn off the public protests that had led
to the ouster of former Jowzjan governor Juma Khan Hamdard
last year. Tokdemir suggested telling Dostum "we´ve saved
you several times in the past" and this is the last time. He
asked whether this might be an acceptable temporary solution.
Tokdemir added, "I think he will die soon; he is not sound
mentally or physically."
5. © The Ambassador repeated that he was not sure how
sending Dostum back to his stronghold in the north would help
Afghanistan, especially if he is mentally unstable.
Arresting him would cause problems, but there is already a
precedent for his departure for Turkey for medical treatment.
KABUL 00000399 002 OF 003
Afghan Government Weakened, Considering Options
--------------------------------------------- --
6. © Foreign Minister Spanta confirmed for the Ambassador
that he talked to the Turks. The Afghan Government would
still like to take some action, but it is not clear whether
they will go as far as making an arrest. For the moment, it
appears that the latest incident has strengthened Dostum and
weakened the Afghan Government.
Talking Points Supporting Dostum
--------------------------------
7. © Turkish Ambassador´s talking points:
- General Dostum contributed enormously to the fight against
Taliban in the past. He is still a prominent actor in the
anti-Taliban alliance whose cooperation is indispensable.
- It should also be recalled that Dostum is considered a
natural leader by the majority of the Afghan citizens of
Turkic origin.
- Dostum is not a threat to the Afghan Government or ISAF.
On the contrary he is a "partner for stability", if utilized
properly, for these two parties.
- We certainly believe that any action or arrest
whatsoever against Dostum will negatively affect the
stability of Afghanistan.
- This will inevitably shake the trust of the Turkic people
toward the central government.
- Should such an action lead to a skirmish between
Afghan security forces and the supporters of Dostum, and if
some people, including Dostum, get injured or killed, the
people of northern Afghanistan will definitely take to the
streets. Such an environment
could easily turn into a fertile ground for Taliban
exploitation.
- While Afghan and ISAF forces are busy in the southern and
southeastern provinces, as well as around Kabul, we do not
think it would be wise to lose an ally in the north and
alienate a peaceful community.
- I understand from the meeting between our Ambassadors in
Kabul that you also share our concerns in this regard.
Therefore we would appreciate it if you could kindly share
our common concerns with our Afghan friends as well.
- There is one more point I would like to make. It is not
easy for me to understand the rationale behind letting
Mohammad Akbar Bay free, after all the trouble he has caused.
- One cannot but wonder whether this was an intentional move
to disturb Dostum.
- In countries like Afghanistan where many ethnic groups
live together, peaceful coexistence is of vital importance
for the future of the country. Our main concern is that, an
action against Dostum could lead to ethnic tensions that
would run the risk of upsetting ethnic harmony in Afghanistan.
- Our priority is the maintenance of stability and
ethnic harmony in Afghanistan, rather than defending
the practices of Dostum.
- While we do not concur with Dostum´s many practices, we
still consider him an element of stability for the unity of
Afghanistan and a solid partner against Taliban.
- I would like to assure you that we will continue
advising Dostum to keep his sanity.
KABUL 00000399 003 OF 003
- I do not think he would be willing to come to Turkey at
this stage.
WOOD
E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/22/2019
TAGS: AF, PREL, PGOV
SUBJECT: AFGHANISTAN - DOSTUM´S ROLE
Classified By: SRAP Richard C Holbrooke for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)
1. (U) This is an action request. Please see paragraph 5.
Post is requested to provide a response by close of business
Wednesday, June 24.
2. (SBU) Abdul Rashid Dostum left Afghanistan for Turkey in
2008, following the Akbar Boi incident in Kabul. He has
remained largely out of the Afghan public spotlight since
then, with the reformist elements of Junbesh taking charge
under Noorallah.
3. © We know that Dostum has promised Karzai the Junbesh /
Uzbek vote in the forthcoming Afghan Presidential elections.
What he is getting in return is unclear: there are rumors
that Dostum has been reinstated in his ceremonial role as
Chief of Staff to the Commander in Chief. We understand from
information in other channels that Dostum may be planning to
return to Afghanistan as part of this bargain. Akbar Boi has
threatened to release the (apparently written) text of the
original Dostum-Akbar Boi deal, brokered by Karzai and the
Palace, that effectively kept Dostum out of the country.
4. © Both former Foreign Minister Babacan and Foreign
Minister Davutogliu told Ambassador Holbrooke they would keep
Dostum in Turkey indefinitely.
5. (S) Action request: That Ambassador Jeffrey engage with
hosts at the highest level possible to establish their
understanding of the situation, and make clear that we would
not/not like to see Dostum return to Afghanistan.
6. (S) Karzai may resent our efforts to keep Dostum away. We
understand this risk but believe it will also send an
important signal to Karzai that the rules really have changed
and we will be tougher on important issues in his next term.
7. (U) Points of contact for this cable are [text removed by Aftenposten].
CLINTON
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 KABUL 000399
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
STATE FOR SCA/FO, SCA/A, S/CRS
STATE PASS TO USAID FOR AID/ANE, AID/DCHA/DG
NSC FOR JWOOD
OSD FOR SHIVERS
CG CJTF-82, POLAD, JICCENT
E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/04/2018
TAGS: EAID, KDEM, PGOV, AF
SUBJECT: TURKS WANT DOSTUM TO STAY QUIET IN THE NORTH,
AMBASSADOR PRESSES FOR HIS DEPARTURE
REF: A. KABUL 303
B. ANKARA 217
Classified By: Ambassador William B. Wood for reasons 1.4 (B) and (D).
Summary
-------
1. © Turkish Ambassador to Afghanistan Ethem Tokdemir
conveyed to the Ambassador February 14 his government´s
intention to encourage the Afghan Government to permit Dostum
to return quietly to the north. Tokdemir passed a copy of
his talking points cautioning against actions leading to
instability or ethnic tensions and expressing skepticism that
Dostum would be willing to leave for Turkey. He confided
(protect) that he personally sees the Uzbek strongman as
incorrigible and knows him to be in poor health. The
Ambassador said sending Dostum back to his stronghold in the
North would not help Afghanistan and pressed for his
departure. Tokdemir said President Karzai will have the
chance to make his case when he meets the Turkish Foreign
Minister on February 16 in Qatar.
Turkish Ambassador Advocates Dostum´s Quiet Retreat
--------------------------------------------- ------
2. © Turkish Ambassador to Afghanistan Ethem Tokdemir
conveyed to the Ambassador February 14 Turkey´s intention to
encourage the Afghan Government to permit Dostum to return to
the north, where the Turks will encourage him to remain quiet
and keep a low profile. Tokdemir passed a copy of his
talking points expressing support for Dostum´s cooperation
against the Taliban, describing him as a partner for
stability, cautioning against actions that would lead to
instability or ethnic tensions, and expressing skepticism
that Dostum would be willing to leave for Turkey (paragraph
7). Tokdemir said the Turkish Foreign Minister hopes to meet
with President Karzai on February 16 at a conference in
Qatar, saying Karzai will have the chance to make his case.
Ambassador Presses to Help Afghanistan, Not Dostum
--------------------------------------------- -----
3. © The Ambassador said Turkey´s strategy in the north is
unclear. Turkey appears to be protecting Dostum rather than
the Turkic people in the North, who endure raids,
criminality, political fractiousness, and a crisis every six
months. He acknowledged that supporting action against
Dostum would be difficult for Turkey, but if no action is
taken the status quo will continue and Dostum will emerge
stronger. The U.S. will support whatever Karzai decides, but
there is no shortage of reasons to take action against Dostum
now.
4. © Tokdemir confided that he does not necessarily share
his government´s message. He believes Dostum is
incorrigible, recounting that he was drunk at 10 am when he
last met the Turkish prime minister, a devout Muslim.
Nevertheless, Tokdemir said Dostum is politically isolated
and Junbesh party members are trying to convince him to go to
the north and stay quiet. Tokdemir planned to tell Dostum
that he is "the natural leader of the Turkic people in
Afghanistan," but that he has "provoked too many problems."
Tokdemir acknowledged Turkey´s influence on Dostum, noting
that Dostum had said he had interpreted as "an order"
Turkey´s request to turn off the public protests that had led
to the ouster of former Jowzjan governor Juma Khan Hamdard
last year. Tokdemir suggested telling Dostum "we´ve saved
you several times in the past" and this is the last time. He
asked whether this might be an acceptable temporary solution.
Tokdemir added, "I think he will die soon; he is not sound
mentally or physically."
5. © The Ambassador repeated that he was not sure how
sending Dostum back to his stronghold in the north would help
Afghanistan, especially if he is mentally unstable.
Arresting him would cause problems, but there is already a
precedent for his departure for Turkey for medical treatment.
KABUL 00000399 002 OF 003
Afghan Government Weakened, Considering Options
--------------------------------------------- --
6. © Foreign Minister Spanta confirmed for the Ambassador
that he talked to the Turks. The Afghan Government would
still like to take some action, but it is not clear whether
they will go as far as making an arrest. For the moment, it
appears that the latest incident has strengthened Dostum and
weakened the Afghan Government.
Talking Points Supporting Dostum
--------------------------------
7. © Turkish Ambassador´s talking points:
- General Dostum contributed enormously to the fight against
Taliban in the past. He is still a prominent actor in the
anti-Taliban alliance whose cooperation is indispensable.
- It should also be recalled that Dostum is considered a
natural leader by the majority of the Afghan citizens of
Turkic origin.
- Dostum is not a threat to the Afghan Government or ISAF.
On the contrary he is a "partner for stability", if utilized
properly, for these two parties.
- We certainly believe that any action or arrest
whatsoever against Dostum will negatively affect the
stability of Afghanistan.
- This will inevitably shake the trust of the Turkic people
toward the central government.
- Should such an action lead to a skirmish between
Afghan security forces and the supporters of Dostum, and if
some people, including Dostum, get injured or killed, the
people of northern Afghanistan will definitely take to the
streets. Such an environment
could easily turn into a fertile ground for Taliban
exploitation.
- While Afghan and ISAF forces are busy in the southern and
southeastern provinces, as well as around Kabul, we do not
think it would be wise to lose an ally in the north and
alienate a peaceful community.
- I understand from the meeting between our Ambassadors in
Kabul that you also share our concerns in this regard.
Therefore we would appreciate it if you could kindly share
our common concerns with our Afghan friends as well.
- There is one more point I would like to make. It is not
easy for me to understand the rationale behind letting
Mohammad Akbar Bay free, after all the trouble he has caused.
- One cannot but wonder whether this was an intentional move
to disturb Dostum.
- In countries like Afghanistan where many ethnic groups
live together, peaceful coexistence is of vital importance
for the future of the country. Our main concern is that, an
action against Dostum could lead to ethnic tensions that
would run the risk of upsetting ethnic harmony in Afghanistan.
- Our priority is the maintenance of stability and
ethnic harmony in Afghanistan, rather than defending
the practices of Dostum.
- While we do not concur with Dostum´s many practices, we
still consider him an element of stability for the unity of
Afghanistan and a solid partner against Taliban.
- I would like to assure you that we will continue
advising Dostum to keep his sanity.
KABUL 00000399 003 OF 003
- I do not think he would be willing to come to Turkey at
this stage.
WOOD
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass