Will WikiLeaks unravel the American 'secret government'?

[James H. Fetzer]

Indeed! Attack the messenger when you don't like the message. He may not even be guilty of an illegal act. He is not a US citizen and, unless he has in fact signed a non-disclosure agreement, may be guilty of no more than having the gall to embarrass lots of politicians, for which I personally applaud him. When you consider the forces allied against him, he is looking better and better.

I don't think honest debate will ever divide the forum Pete. And I am by no means entirely confident that Assange is who we hope he is. But I think he may be and am prepared to give him the doubt unless or until evidence to the contrary becomes available.

But at the end of the day we don't yet know for sure whether there is a greater game going on behind Wikileaks to stifle all future leaks, whistleblowers etc., from having an internet voice - and whether this simply may have been an opportune reaction to the current Cablegate leaks, or whether this possibility was "gamed" beforehand and then allowed to take place in order to snap the trap shut on us all.

I would like to believe that Assange and Wikileaks are what they make out to be - but all my experience to date says to tread carefully and not allow hope to cloud my ingrained cynicism of deep political possibilities. Many innocent people in the past have been made involuntary dupes by more sinister forces.

But on balance, as it stands, the sheer volume of vitriolic angst again Assange does suggest he is what he claims to be.

But the fact is that we just don't know for sure. Not yet.

And it is, therefore, entirely valid for other members to raise concerns and explore other possibilities and I welcome that interaction.

It is, after all, the underlying rationale and purpose of this forum.

I agree.

Peter L - I understand your concerns, but the disinformation entities have been routinely purged whenever DPF has detected their infiltration into this zone. My antennae are not currently twitching. :knuddel:

So, I consider it constructive that members air their own judgements and post articles which provide different perspectives on, and analyses of, Assange and wikileaks.

David's insightful deconstruction of the IndyBay article is an example of DPF at its best.

So, in the spirit of different perspectives and dialectic, my own view is that the focus on Assange is a sign that the real arguments are being lost and the important issues are being forgotten.

In Their scripts:

i) Assange is cast as the Lone Nut, that the Free World must hunt down Dead or Alive, to protect our children and our economies;

ii) Assange is cast as a sex fiend, preying on vulnerable women;

iii) Assange is cast as a bought and paid for asset of (insert Enemy or Terror Group as appropriate);

iv) Assange is cast as a traitor to wikileaks, in cahoots with Mossad or the CIA or (again insert as appropriate).

All these scripts are available to Them, and are being utilized to divide us.

In my judgement, by focusing on Assange, we are playing Their game. :bandit: