Will WikiLeaks unravel the American 'secret government'?

[Peter Presland]

I don't think honest debate will ever divide the forum Pete. And I am by no means entirely confident that Assange is who we hope he is. But I think he may be and am prepared to give him the doubt unless or until evidence to the contrary becomes available.

But at the end of the day we don't yet know for sure whether there is a greater game going on behind Wikileaks to stifle all future leaks, whistleblowers etc., from having an internet voice - and whether this simply may have been an opportune reaction to the current Cablegate leaks, or whether this possibility was "gamed" beforehand and then allowed to take place in order to snap the trap shut on us all.

I would like to believe that Assange and Wikileaks are what they make out to be - but all my experience to date says to tread carefully and not allow hope to cloud my ingrained cynicism of deep political possibilities. Many innocent people in the past have been made involuntary dupes by more sinister forces.

But on balance, as it stands, the sheer volume of vitriolic angst again Assange does suggest he is what he claims to be.

But the fact is that we just don't know for sure. Not yet.

And it is, therefore, entirely valid for other members to raise concerns and explore other possibilities and I welcome that interaction.

It is, after all, the underlying rationale and purpose of this forum.

Thanks for that David. That's pretty much how I see things too. I am 100% behind the stated purpose and aims of Wikileaks. But I'm also 100% certain that the spooks will use it whenever and however they can to further those hidden (in plane sight) agendas.

With Assange in the straights he appears to be right now, I hesitate to cast another aspersion but I haven't seen it discussed here yet and it rubbed me up the wrong way big-time. It was his reference to the Murdoch clan in his Aussie article - almost as though he aspired to become something similar. That together with the 911 and other issues make him either incredibly naive for the driving force behind such a initiative - or something else.

Like you I really am bemused by it all. I desperately want Wikileaks to succeed but that makes me very wary of allowing desire to cloud my judgment. OTOH, neither do I intend to become a part of the tunnel-vision 'bash Assange' brigade. Jeff Gates, Gordon Duff and few others seem to have thrown their lot into that camp - a bit prematurely IMHO even though the insights they provide need considering.