Fetzer/Burton Moon Landing Debate Finale

[Peter Dawson]

Peter, I have already replied and you don't seem to understand what I have explained. So I will let someone else deal with this. Sometimes when a post is reposted the links are contracted and no longer work. But the Metapedia article is still archived at

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Moon_Hoax (I hope you don't seriously think you have dealt with the splashdown or the quarantine.)

I’ll expand upon a few points, in order to better allow people to see where I might be going wrong.

Jump height

Try this - a scientific experiment: find someone who weighs roughly the same amount as you do, and pick them up in your arms, or throw them onto your shoulder. Now jump as high as you can vertically in the air.

How high did you go?

I must admit, I've only done this as a thought experiment, but the conclusion I've come to is that I would only be able to jump a small fraction as high as I can jump when I'm not carrying a person in my arms. That small fraction would remain the same whether one was on the earth or the moon, so whatever that small fraction was, you could divide the .42m figure by it to find out how high that astronaut could have jumped on the moon if he wasn't weighed down by equipment.

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Okay, I just got out of my chair and jumped in the air a few times. I’m lucky to jump more than 12 inches without any extra weight. I’m over 6ft tall, and I’m no chance of hitting my head on the ceiling (8ft) when I jump. And I really doubt I’d be able to jump a single inch in the air if I was carrying an extra 85kg, but let’s say I could jump 2 inches in the air if I was carrying my own weight again. That conveniently works out that the extra weight I’m carrying would cancel out the lighter gravity on the moon, so roughly I’d be able to jump the same height on earth with no extra weight, as on the moon with my weight doubled.

And isn’t this more or less what we observe watching the Apollo astronauts?

And also, if they did fake it all using overhead wires on their backs to reproduce the lesser gravity of the moon, then why the hell didn’t they yank them higher with the wires so that the hoax proponents today wouldn’t be citing their failure to jump high enough as evidence that the landings were faked?

And another thing: one of the most ”damning” pieces of evidence in this Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage (which Prof. Fetzer cited earlier), at the 2:06 minute mark, where it is claimed an Apollo 16 astronaut is pulled off the ground from his knees to standing by an overhead wire, is actually good evidence that the astronauts were in a low gravity environment. If you look closely you can see the astronaut on the ground use his left hand to press himself up with the help of the standing astronaut. The footage doesn’t provide clear-cut evidence that the scene was staged. The footage provides evidence that it is quite possible that the people in the scene were in a low-gravity environment. You wouldn’t be able to lift yourself up as he does if you were in a 1g environment with a heavy weight strapped to your back. He could only make it look like a wire was pulling him off the ground because he was actually in a low g environment. And his hand left arm was in the exact position it needed to be in for the low g hypothesis to be possible.

The guy narrating that footage is like an old-fashioned snake oil salesman, leading people astray with suggestion.


Visibility of stars from the lunar surface

We can see the stars at night on earth, so obviously the earth's atmosphere plays a fairly minor role in restricting our ability to see the stars - the sun's rays play the major role. And the sun shines on the moon also. The onus should be on the hoax proponents to explain why astronauts should have been able to see stars during the lunar day, because "lunar day" means the same sun that completely prevents us from seeing stars during daytime on earth is shining down on the moon. Why shouldn’t sunlight stop a person on the moon from seeing stars?

Footnotes

Is it just me, or does everyone find that the Metapedia article has hundreds of footnotes, all “[1]”, and all linking back to that identical Metapedia moon hoax page? It seems quite fitting - and ironic - that the metapedia Moon Hoax article is 100% internally self-referential.


Splashdown and Quarantine

For the moment, yes.