Fetzer/Burton Moon Landing Debate Finale

[Peter Dawson]

This is in response to Presland's post, which I take to be endorsing Dawson. But it is appropriate even if that was not his intent.

Jump height

http://en.metapedia....wiki/Moon_Hoax:

Assuming astronaut's body weight of 85 kg, his total weight including the space suit would be 170 kg, so he could achieve jump heights of 2 m. But the maximum jump height shown by an Apollo astronaut was 0.42 m,[1] which is five times less.[1]

Peter Dawson says: "If I'm 85kg and can jump 2ft vertically, on earth, and you weigh me down with another 85kg, I am not going to be able to jump 1ft in the air. It is faulty reasoning to think so. I'd be lucky to jump 6 inches if you asked my muscles to lift 2 times the weight they are accustomed to lifting."

But if you double/triple/. . . the weight, you would still be able to jump six times greater than on Earth. This is going to hold across the board, since the gravitation is only 1/6 of what it is on Earth. The astronaut jumps are fake. This is not rocket science, but someone is trying awfully hard to peddle a bill of goods.

.42m divided by 6 equals 7cm. That is about as high as I'd expect a reasonably athletic person to be able to jump vertically, on earth, if you loaded them up so they weighed double what they normally do.

Visibility of stars from the lunar surface

Peter Dawson says: "The sun was always shining when the astronauts were on the moon. That is, it was daytime. Do we expect to see stars on earth at daytime? No? Then why should we expect astronauts to see stars, or cameras to record stars when looking skyward during the lunar daytime?"

Neil Armstrong said: "We were never able to see stars from the lunar surface or on the daylight side of the Moon by eye without looking through the optics."

They can't both be right, but they can both be wrong.

http://en.metapedia....wiki/Moon_Hoax:

"On the Moon, the sky is black—even during the day—and the stars are always visible.[1][1]"

None of your links work, and none of the footnotes on that metapedia page work.

What I said is completely consistent with what what Armstrong says.

I see that quote is from a NASA multimedia "Worldbook" page. Their bad for making a blanket generalisation. Astronauts say they could see stars when they were in the shadow of the lunar module, so I guess technically you can "always" see stars, but only if the sunlight isn't blocking them out. Eyes and film have limited sensitivity.

I am sorry, but to issue these complaints when it is he who can't figure this sort of thing out for himself before he submits it to us is more than slightly embarrassing. I can't wait to read his attempt to "explain away" the splashdown and the 18-day quarantine!

Splashdown:

As I say in my previous post: I notice another inconsistency with the moon hoax argument. On the metapedia page they raise some sensible sounding concerns about inconsistencies regarding the accuracy of splashdowns, but to explain the details of the Apollo splashdown they ask that we "assume that the crew did not fly" at all - yet most other moon hoax theories claim that the astronauts were in the Apollo crafts, but never left earth orbit.

So were they in low earth orbit, or hiding away somewhere on the ground?


18-day quarantine:

First time in contact with a foreign celestial body - I guess they were being overcautious.