22-02-2025, 02:09 PM
So while I can agree that I too, see a rapidly growing far right wing Christian Nationalism, and it scares the shit out of me what people are capable of doing in the name of god, this thread is not about that it's about whether Putin is a goodie or a baddie.
But at risk of derailment I'll just also add this: I also find it frightening how deeply the supposed left in this country, have snuggled into a nice warm bed with despot neocons like the Cheneys, the Lindsay Grahams, the Tom Cottons, etc. WTF is THAT all about??!!
The way I view a facet of this terrible war could easily be a separate thread in the "Alchemy and Borderlands" section of this forum. Another great human sacrifice ritual, lots of frenzied feeding going on in both the inner and outer worlds... and to see good people who think they're fighting the good fight by screaming bloody murder this human sacrifice ritual must continue until Ukraine lays in flaming ruins and the last soldier is dead, gives me little more comfort than looking at the raving, bloodthirsty Christian Nationalists. It just lends more energy to the ritual.
As usual Chris Hedges is spot on in his analysis of the fanatical Christian Right, but it's also like Christians picking unrelated verses out of the Bible that (supposedly) lend credence to any given point they're trying to make, in that a true lefty Chris Hedges type would NEVER, EVER, sign on to the continuation of this terrible war. And I don't think he would want his name associated with those aims either.
Anyway, getting back to topic and taking a sneak peak to the end game here, what happens next once the guns and drones go silent will be quite telling to all. Or it should anyway. If a peace deal is indeed reached, security guarantees given, and Russian soldiers head back to their families, that should... tell us a lot as to Putin's true intentions once and for all. I suppose I might expect that certain bipartisan segment of the diehards to continue insisting that stopping the war was the gravest of all mistakes, that Putin is only using the time to regroup, rearm, and go back about his imperial/Hitleresque aims once again; but then again this would be the same segment of bipartisan diehards that have long insisted the same Russian army that is still struggling through only owning roughly 20% of Ukraine, is also poised to take eastern, and then maybe even western Europe.
I believe these people are in the process of discrediting themselves for all to see, but time will tell. Perhaps I'M in the process of discrediting myself, but the facts on the ground are surely not looking that way.
Which brings us back full circle to the original basis of this thread: The Facts On The Ground.
But at risk of derailment I'll just also add this: I also find it frightening how deeply the supposed left in this country, have snuggled into a nice warm bed with despot neocons like the Cheneys, the Lindsay Grahams, the Tom Cottons, etc. WTF is THAT all about??!!
The way I view a facet of this terrible war could easily be a separate thread in the "Alchemy and Borderlands" section of this forum. Another great human sacrifice ritual, lots of frenzied feeding going on in both the inner and outer worlds... and to see good people who think they're fighting the good fight by screaming bloody murder this human sacrifice ritual must continue until Ukraine lays in flaming ruins and the last soldier is dead, gives me little more comfort than looking at the raving, bloodthirsty Christian Nationalists. It just lends more energy to the ritual.
As usual Chris Hedges is spot on in his analysis of the fanatical Christian Right, but it's also like Christians picking unrelated verses out of the Bible that (supposedly) lend credence to any given point they're trying to make, in that a true lefty Chris Hedges type would NEVER, EVER, sign on to the continuation of this terrible war. And I don't think he would want his name associated with those aims either.
Anyway, getting back to topic and taking a sneak peak to the end game here, what happens next once the guns and drones go silent will be quite telling to all. Or it should anyway. If a peace deal is indeed reached, security guarantees given, and Russian soldiers head back to their families, that should... tell us a lot as to Putin's true intentions once and for all. I suppose I might expect that certain bipartisan segment of the diehards to continue insisting that stopping the war was the gravest of all mistakes, that Putin is only using the time to regroup, rearm, and go back about his imperial/Hitleresque aims once again; but then again this would be the same segment of bipartisan diehards that have long insisted the same Russian army that is still struggling through only owning roughly 20% of Ukraine, is also poised to take eastern, and then maybe even western Europe.
I believe these people are in the process of discrediting themselves for all to see, but time will tell. Perhaps I'M in the process of discrediting myself, but the facts on the ground are surely not looking that way.
Which brings us back full circle to the original basis of this thread: The Facts On The Ground.
"FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE, WHEREVER IT LEADS" SOCRATES