04-09-2018, 07:04 PM
Quoted from the above posting of the esteemed and very knowledgeable Mr. Lemkin:
"Some are lost with a past and long abandoned definition of 'fascism' and what fascism really represents - at the basic political, sociological, psychological, societal, structural levels..."
[I guess that includes me!!!!!!!!!!]
Per the prior posting:
"Fascism means dividing a population to achieve power." (definition of the poster).
Jason Stanley as quoted in the previous posting in listing the 10 pillars of fascism:
[Note the omission of anything about social class, corporations or financial greed]
Merriam-Webster
fascism
1.often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality J. W. Aldridge
Oxford English Dictionary
1An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Example sentences Synonyms
1.1 (in general use) extreme authoritarian, oppressive, or intolerant views or practices.
this is yet another example of health fascism in action'
More example sentences
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (192243); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach
Collins English dictionary
fascism
(fæʃɪzəm )
noun
Fascism is a set of right-wing political beliefs that includes strong control of society and the economy by the state, a powerful role for the armed forces, and the stopping of political opposition.
...the rise of fascism in the 1930s.
***********Well, the author Mr. Stanley himself qualifies under item #6 as a fascisthe mentions his status as a refugee from WWII Europe. He seeks to establish his credibility by relying on his victimhood.
All of the dictionary definitions of fascism have one thing in common: they refer to either the advocacy or the application of some sort of system of government.
The definition proposed by Mr. Lemkin could be analyzed. It is claimed that you are a fascist if you attempt to divide a population to achieve power. But in his arguments, the prior poster is himself trying to divide the readership (implicitly the population) into pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions to persuade people to support more power to the anti-Trump forces. This is the definition of "politics", not of "fascism".
I will agree, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A THREAD running through the ten pillars listed by Stanley. What is omitted (deviously in my opinion) is "how many of the ten pillars do you need to qualify as a "fascist"? As stated above, Mr. Stanley has one of the traits because he pleads victimhood (post WWII refugee). Others of the ten traits seem ridiculous or at least way, way removed from fascism.
"SEXUAL ANXIETY?" I can say for sure that people who have sexual anxieties are not necessarily fascist. Nor are those who claim victimhood. Hopefully, most people support "law and order" for their community and country. And what is the "heartland"? Promoting that word as a criterion of fascism seems (on it's face) to be trying to divide one section of the country against the "coasts". But then, trying to divide the country is being a "fascist".
To be quite honest, the ten pillars seem only to apply to one American that I can think ofand that is Richard M. Nixon. Was Nixon a "fascist"? Or did he fall victim to "fascists". I tend to believe the latter.
What is left out of the ten pillars is any reference to a form of government. The anti-Trumpers are the ones who want to rely on some other governmental process besides democracy. To be a real fascist, you apparently have to be addressing the form of our government. I don't personally think that you can call any plain old racist as fascist. Racists yes, fascist probably not usually.
Evil as they are, all racists are not fascists. It seems like to meet the minimum standard you have to oppose democracy to be a fascist.
The Globalist anti-Trumpers are trying to thread the needle by claiming to oppose fascists but also they oppose following the election process. So we have to ask the singular important question of Mr. Lemkin:
WOULD YOU SUPPORT USING NON-DEMOCRATIC MEANS LIKE POLITICAL TRIALS TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF A FAIR ELECTION? If you approve of such things, then you IMHO are more a "fascist" than "not a fascist".
If anti-Trumpers really oppose fascists, then why do they seem to want to rely on unquestionably un-democratic Deep State practices like the JFK assassination, Watergate, Whitewater-gate, Russia-gate and provocations like the anthrax attacks used "TO DIVIDE THE COUNTRY TO GAIN POWER?" Is the Deep State fascist or anti-fascist? That's a no-brainer.
To sum up, in all my readings on the development of German fascism, the trend in this country is making it more and more apparent that the anti-Trumpers are building on the Fascist playbook.
In Germany, whether under Bismarck, Hitler or Adenauer, the tell-tale sign of fascism was dictatorship of the upper middle class which achieved power by exploiting the dislike of blue-collar working classes who were seen as Socialist or Communist.
To be fascist IMHO, you have to be anti-Socialist and anti-Communist. President Trump has clearly gone out of the prior pattern and appealed to blue-collar workers on the issues of immigration and the outsourcing of jobs. This is why he is opposed by the anti-Trump borderline fascists and Globalists.
It is the anti-Trumpers who seek to exploit the blue collar workers by immigration and trade so they can get cheap stuff at Wal-Mart. What Bismarck knew, also Hitler and also Adenauer is this: you can turn the middle class against the blue collar class by paying them off with relative material wealth. You can buy them off by giving them a Cadillac or a 401-K and they will turn against the Blue Collar class every time. That worked in Germany from 1868 to 1963.
And that is why the anti-Trumpers are also anti-Blue Collar and anti-Union. Note that in the prior posting about fascism, THERE IS NOT EVEN A WORD MENTIONED ABOUT CLASS STRUGGLE, LABOR UNIONS, CORPORATISM FINANCIAL GREED, ETC.
That is because the anti-Trumpers are flying the banner of anti-fascism, but they are on the side of the fascist anti-labor tradition of the real, historical fascists. Cleverly, if they destroy the label "fascist" by disinformation, then that is the perfect cover to overturn elections in the fascist, South American style as in Brazil and Chile under Pinochet.
DON'T BE FOOLED!
James Lateer
"Some are lost with a past and long abandoned definition of 'fascism' and what fascism really represents - at the basic political, sociological, psychological, societal, structural levels..."
[I guess that includes me!!!!!!!!!!]
Per the prior posting:
"Fascism means dividing a population to achieve power." (definition of the poster).
Jason Stanley as quoted in the previous posting in listing the 10 pillars of fascism:
- Mythic past
- Propaganda
- Anti-Intellectualism
- Unreality
- Hierarchy
- Victimhood
- Law and Order
- Sexual Anxiety
- Appeals to the Heartland
- Dismantling of Public Welfare and Unity
[Note the omission of anything about social class, corporations or financial greed]
Merriam-Webster
fascism
1.often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality J. W. Aldridge
Oxford English Dictionary
1An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Example sentences Synonyms
1.1 (in general use) extreme authoritarian, oppressive, or intolerant views or practices.
this is yet another example of health fascism in action'
More example sentences
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (192243); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach
Collins English dictionary
fascism
(fæʃɪzəm )
noun
Fascism is a set of right-wing political beliefs that includes strong control of society and the economy by the state, a powerful role for the armed forces, and the stopping of political opposition.
...the rise of fascism in the 1930s.
***********Well, the author Mr. Stanley himself qualifies under item #6 as a fascisthe mentions his status as a refugee from WWII Europe. He seeks to establish his credibility by relying on his victimhood.
All of the dictionary definitions of fascism have one thing in common: they refer to either the advocacy or the application of some sort of system of government.
The definition proposed by Mr. Lemkin could be analyzed. It is claimed that you are a fascist if you attempt to divide a population to achieve power. But in his arguments, the prior poster is himself trying to divide the readership (implicitly the population) into pro-Trump and anti-Trump factions to persuade people to support more power to the anti-Trump forces. This is the definition of "politics", not of "fascism".
I will agree, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A THREAD running through the ten pillars listed by Stanley. What is omitted (deviously in my opinion) is "how many of the ten pillars do you need to qualify as a "fascist"? As stated above, Mr. Stanley has one of the traits because he pleads victimhood (post WWII refugee). Others of the ten traits seem ridiculous or at least way, way removed from fascism.
"SEXUAL ANXIETY?" I can say for sure that people who have sexual anxieties are not necessarily fascist. Nor are those who claim victimhood. Hopefully, most people support "law and order" for their community and country. And what is the "heartland"? Promoting that word as a criterion of fascism seems (on it's face) to be trying to divide one section of the country against the "coasts". But then, trying to divide the country is being a "fascist".
To be quite honest, the ten pillars seem only to apply to one American that I can think ofand that is Richard M. Nixon. Was Nixon a "fascist"? Or did he fall victim to "fascists". I tend to believe the latter.
What is left out of the ten pillars is any reference to a form of government. The anti-Trumpers are the ones who want to rely on some other governmental process besides democracy. To be a real fascist, you apparently have to be addressing the form of our government. I don't personally think that you can call any plain old racist as fascist. Racists yes, fascist probably not usually.
Evil as they are, all racists are not fascists. It seems like to meet the minimum standard you have to oppose democracy to be a fascist.
The Globalist anti-Trumpers are trying to thread the needle by claiming to oppose fascists but also they oppose following the election process. So we have to ask the singular important question of Mr. Lemkin:
WOULD YOU SUPPORT USING NON-DEMOCRATIC MEANS LIKE POLITICAL TRIALS TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF A FAIR ELECTION? If you approve of such things, then you IMHO are more a "fascist" than "not a fascist".
If anti-Trumpers really oppose fascists, then why do they seem to want to rely on unquestionably un-democratic Deep State practices like the JFK assassination, Watergate, Whitewater-gate, Russia-gate and provocations like the anthrax attacks used "TO DIVIDE THE COUNTRY TO GAIN POWER?" Is the Deep State fascist or anti-fascist? That's a no-brainer.
To sum up, in all my readings on the development of German fascism, the trend in this country is making it more and more apparent that the anti-Trumpers are building on the Fascist playbook.
In Germany, whether under Bismarck, Hitler or Adenauer, the tell-tale sign of fascism was dictatorship of the upper middle class which achieved power by exploiting the dislike of blue-collar working classes who were seen as Socialist or Communist.
To be fascist IMHO, you have to be anti-Socialist and anti-Communist. President Trump has clearly gone out of the prior pattern and appealed to blue-collar workers on the issues of immigration and the outsourcing of jobs. This is why he is opposed by the anti-Trump borderline fascists and Globalists.
It is the anti-Trumpers who seek to exploit the blue collar workers by immigration and trade so they can get cheap stuff at Wal-Mart. What Bismarck knew, also Hitler and also Adenauer is this: you can turn the middle class against the blue collar class by paying them off with relative material wealth. You can buy them off by giving them a Cadillac or a 401-K and they will turn against the Blue Collar class every time. That worked in Germany from 1868 to 1963.
And that is why the anti-Trumpers are also anti-Blue Collar and anti-Union. Note that in the prior posting about fascism, THERE IS NOT EVEN A WORD MENTIONED ABOUT CLASS STRUGGLE, LABOR UNIONS, CORPORATISM FINANCIAL GREED, ETC.
That is because the anti-Trumpers are flying the banner of anti-fascism, but they are on the side of the fascist anti-labor tradition of the real, historical fascists. Cleverly, if they destroy the label "fascist" by disinformation, then that is the perfect cover to overturn elections in the fascist, South American style as in Brazil and Chile under Pinochet.
DON'T BE FOOLED!
James Lateer