16-12-2015, 05:37 PM
Hi Deorra -
I sent your post to John and asked him about the Minox he saw. (Side note - I asked him once about the Klein's microfilm, famous for having the Rifle Order, coupon and envleope which was placed in a cannister, sealed and sent to the Archives - except that cannister is now empty - the FBI's SA DOLAN can be assigned blame for that process. http://www.ctka.net/2015/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf )
YOUR POST IS ACCURATE, TO THE BEST OF MYMEMORY. A FELLOW RESEARCHER, TAMARA CARTER, WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO WEIGHT THEMINOX CAMERA IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. IT WEIGHTED A LOT MORE THAN A REGULARMINOX CAMERA. I HAVE A MINOX CAMERA, AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY LIGHT WEIGHT.ALSO, UNKNOWN TO MOST PEOPLE, IS THAT MINOX FILM WAS ONLY DEVELOPED BY ONECOMPANY IN THE USA (IN NEW JERSEY). THERE ARE NO INITIALS ON THE MINOX AT THENATIONAL ARCHIVES, BUT THIS SMALL CAMERA IS VERY HEAVY COMPARED TO A REGULARCAMERA. THIS WAS NOT THE CAMERA FOUND BY THE DALLAS POLICE. PERHAPS BOTHCAMERAS WERE IN FBI CUSTODY AND, FOR SOME REASON, THEY WERE SWITCHED.OBVIOUSLY, GUS ROSE COULD NOT HAVE OPENED THE MINOX, LOOKED AT THE FILM, ANDINITIAL THE CAMERA IF THIS WERE THE CAMERA NOW IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES.
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2 rolls exposed Minox
1 Camera "MINOX" (IRVING) #375
One Minox Canera #375
There is no doubt that a Minox was found during the search at the Paine's while the Imperial Reflex was left behind.
Or any other Minox camera for that matter. My understanding was that it was the FBI - Our man Odum again - who obtrains the Minox from Michael at the end of January. That stretches the bounds of credibility one again to have them then say the Minox originally found was Paine's SN27259 when as you proved so well and John write on page 910 of his book - the Minox at the Archives - like the vast majority of evidence residing there - was created by the FBI to keep the connection between Ozzie and Intel secret.
Rose said, "Among the property we found a little Minoxminiature
camera and on checking it, it did have a little roll of filmin it (along with 9 additional
rolls of Min ox film) ..... All of the property we recoveredfrom the residence, I initialed
it. Stovall and I initialed it and dated it forevidence."[SUP]175
[/SUP][SUP]175 [/SUP]National Archives, HSCA 180-10113-10251,Numbered Files 014341, p 10; HSCA interview of Gus Rose, pp. 10.
The National Archives currently has a Minox III camera,found by the Dallas Police in
Ruth Paine's garage. This camera is currently inoperable, isunable to be opened, and
therefore the serial number remains unknown. The Min oxCorporation (and their web
site) advises that Min ox I I I cameras were manufacturedwith serial numbers 3127 5 thru
58499. Therefore, the Minox which the FBI obtained fromMichael Paine on January
31, 1964 (serial number 27259) was not the camera found byDallas Police which is now
in the National Archives. The serial number of MichaelPaine's camera, listed on an FBI
Airtel of 2/2/64, shows that it was a Minox II (Minox IIcameras were manufactured
with serial numbers up to 31500. The FBI's attempt to hidethe fact that Harvey Oswald
owned a Minox camera is one of the best known anddocumented examples of their attempts
to alter and fabricate evidence.
I sent your post to John and asked him about the Minox he saw. (Side note - I asked him once about the Klein's microfilm, famous for having the Rifle Order, coupon and envleope which was placed in a cannister, sealed and sent to the Archives - except that cannister is now empty - the FBI's SA DOLAN can be assigned blame for that process. http://www.ctka.net/2015/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf )
YOUR POST IS ACCURATE, TO THE BEST OF MYMEMORY. A FELLOW RESEARCHER, TAMARA CARTER, WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO WEIGHT THEMINOX CAMERA IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. IT WEIGHTED A LOT MORE THAN A REGULARMINOX CAMERA. I HAVE A MINOX CAMERA, AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY LIGHT WEIGHT.ALSO, UNKNOWN TO MOST PEOPLE, IS THAT MINOX FILM WAS ONLY DEVELOPED BY ONECOMPANY IN THE USA (IN NEW JERSEY). THERE ARE NO INITIALS ON THE MINOX AT THENATIONAL ARCHIVES, BUT THIS SMALL CAMERA IS VERY HEAVY COMPARED TO A REGULARCAMERA. THIS WAS NOT THE CAMERA FOUND BY THE DALLAS POLICE. PERHAPS BOTHCAMERAS WERE IN FBI CUSTODY AND, FOR SOME REASON, THEY WERE SWITCHED.OBVIOUSLY, GUS ROSE COULD NOT HAVE OPENED THE MINOX, LOOKED AT THE FILM, ANDINITIAL THE CAMERA IF THIS WERE THE CAMERA NOW IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES.
2 rolls exposed Minox
1 Camera "MINOX" (IRVING) #375
One Minox Canera #375
There is no doubt that a Minox was found during the search at the Paine's while the Imperial Reflex was left behind.
Quote:Minox Model A, III SNs started somewhere around SN31275, and SN27259 would place it in the range of the Minox Model A, II. Was the FBI trying to substitute Michael Paine's Minox Model A, III for Oswald's Minox Model A, II
Or any other Minox camera for that matter. My understanding was that it was the FBI - Our man Odum again - who obtrains the Minox from Michael at the end of January. That stretches the bounds of credibility one again to have them then say the Minox originally found was Paine's SN27259 when as you proved so well and John write on page 910 of his book - the Minox at the Archives - like the vast majority of evidence residing there - was created by the FBI to keep the connection between Ozzie and Intel secret.
Rose said, "Among the property we found a little Minoxminiature
camera and on checking it, it did have a little roll of filmin it (along with 9 additional
rolls of Min ox film) ..... All of the property we recoveredfrom the residence, I initialed
it. Stovall and I initialed it and dated it forevidence."[SUP]175
[/SUP][SUP]175 [/SUP]National Archives, HSCA 180-10113-10251,Numbered Files 014341, p 10; HSCA interview of Gus Rose, pp. 10.
The National Archives currently has a Minox III camera,found by the Dallas Police in
Ruth Paine's garage. This camera is currently inoperable, isunable to be opened, and
therefore the serial number remains unknown. The Min oxCorporation (and their web
site) advises that Min ox I I I cameras were manufacturedwith serial numbers 3127 5 thru
58499. Therefore, the Minox which the FBI obtained fromMichael Paine on January
31, 1964 (serial number 27259) was not the camera found byDallas Police which is now
in the National Archives. The serial number of MichaelPaine's camera, listed on an FBI
Airtel of 2/2/64, shows that it was a Minox II (Minox IIcameras were manufactured
with serial numbers up to 31500. The FBI's attempt to hidethe fact that Harvey Oswald
owned a Minox camera is one of the best known anddocumented examples of their attempts
to alter and fabricate evidence.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter

