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US/NATO War on Russia - Lauren Johnson - 02-03-2014 I hope this thread just dies and goes away. But here is why it is the future if not the present. And by war, I don't mean just annexing the Crimea; I mean going all the way to Poland. First, we read at Pat Lang's Blog, Sic Semper Tyrannis: Quote:Yes, the tanks will be rolling in a matter of days. Once they cross the border, I doubt they will stop until they are in Kiev and at the Polish border. But why would Putin risk going all in, so to speak. Certainly, his 'vital national interests' have been threatened for years by NATO's incursions into neighboring countries. Second, there is the Syria situation. And now the Ukraine? Instabilities in both countries have stirred up by NATO operatives. The message? You're next. Now there is this from Ian Welsh Quote:Ukraine is talking about getting nuclear weapons. Interesting. Or perhaps, worse: In other words, ... What other words are there. US/NATO War on Russia - Lauren Johnson - 02-03-2014 "Putin Will Become the first person of world politics" Quote:While an Ohio congresswoman was telling Buzzfeed that she sympathized with Russia's position in regards to Crimea and could understand why Russian president Vladimir Putin was "about peace in the Crimea," the people of Russia are being fed a very different interpretation of events by that country's media. US/NATO War on Russia - Peter Lemkin - 02-03-2014 While I don't yet see a nuclear scenario, it is a VERY dangerous game both the 'West' headed by the USA and followed by NATO - and Russia on the other hand are playing in the Ukraine....it could very quickly turn ugly by design or by mistake and most are NOT aware that despite the decrease in absolute numbers of nukes, there are still enough to destroy the world several times over and make the rubble bounce. To be fair, Russia is doing exactly what the USA would do in parallel circumstances....not that I like either side doing such things. Its a geopolitical mess, and not as it appears on the surface. The deeper political aspects are lost on most, though much of it can be found on our Forum (and a few other places). It is no secret that some in the 'West' and USA have long sought to destroy and 'tame' for their own purposes Russia and China - something I believe is now impossible [not to mention not desirable nor fair nor legal]. Such apparently small and far-away 'things' have started other wars....the next global war will be the last. Insane megalomaniacs and power/money-hungry persons are in charge of all of the major powers. Life hangs by a thread on this Planet for a host of reasons - not the least of which that the will of the World's People is not empowered, but they are subject to the will of a few who care only about themselves and their tinpot empires. Time for a total paradigm shift. While one can assign blame to one party or another in each 'event', all sides, all major powers are corrupt, undemocratic, autocratic, and insane, IMHO. US/NATO War on Russia - Magda Hassan - 02-03-2014 I hope you are right too Lauren. I hope it just goes away.... Turning off teh gas might help bring some to their senses. US/NATO War on Russia - Magda Hassan - 02-03-2014 Peter Lemkin Wrote:While I don't yet see a nuclear scenario, it is a VERY dangerous game both the 'West' headed by the USA and followed by NATO - and Russia on the other hand are playing in the Ukraine....it could very quickly turn ugly by design or by mistake and most are NOT aware that despite the decrease in absolute numbers of nukes, there are still enough to destroy the world several times over and make the rubble bounce. To be fair, Russia is doing exactly what the USA would do in parallel circumstances....not that I like either side doing such things. Its a geopolitical mess, and not as it appears on the surface. The deeper political aspects are lost on most, though much of it can be found on our Forum (and a few other places). It is no secret that some in the 'West' and USA have long sought to destroy and 'tame' for their own purposes Russia and China - something I believe is now impossible [not to mention not desirable nor fair nor legal]. Such apparently small and far-away 'things' have started other wars....the next global war will be the last. Insane megalomaniacs and power/money-hungry persons are in charge of all of the major powers. Life hangs by a thread on this Planet for a host of reasons - not the least of which that the will of the World's People is not empowered, but they are subject to the will of a few who care only about themselves and their tinpot empires. Time for a total paradigm shift. While one can assign blame to one party or another in each 'event', all sides, all major powers are corrupt, undemocratic, autocratic, and insane, IMHO. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. So they can't use the attack on a NATO member as a means of war. And they didn't do that for Turkey with the Mavi Mara against non NATO Israel. I don't think Eurpoe has the stomach for another big war. Nor do people want nuclear missiles flying anywhere. I don't think the NATO countries have the support of their people to go to war. Though it could be a war with few people and just a few big bombs and over quickly but at what cost? There are lots of countries that support separatisim and are achieving that through representation in the EU (eg Scotland, Basque) Czecholslavakia is not any more. Personally I'm looking forward to Latinos reclaiming the southern US states. The US never confronted Assad/Gaddafi or Hussein openly and I'm not sure he will confront some one much bigger like Putin. US/NATO War on Russia - David Guyatt - 02-03-2014 It is probably my ingrained cynicism about these things, but as I see it, the designer Muslim "enemy" is decreasing in significance these days, and so I can't help wondering if there has become an urgent need for a new bogey man to keep the West's war machine at full production - and also to divert home woes by projecting them overseas - politics and business as usual in other words? And what better new enemy than the old one - the one that worked magnificently for almost 70 years? US/NATO War on Russia - Peter Lemkin - 02-03-2014 One of Putin's spokespersons just stated unambiguosly that he did think that the situation could escalate to direct conflict between the US and Russia....an ominous bluster/threat/reality/prognostication. I think this needs cold water poured upon it pronto, or we are all going to be in trouble....::bluebaron:: US/NATO War on Russia - Tracy Riddle - 02-03-2014 There are so many right-wingers in the US eager to get Cold War II (or a Hot War) started with Russia. They never really could get that excited about the "war on terror." This is like the "good old days" for them, and they will push Obama into getting tough like Truman was pushed into it after WWII. US/NATO War on Russia - Albert Doyle - 02-03-2014 Peter Lemkin Wrote:To be fair, Russia is doing exactly what the USA would do in parallel circumstances....not that I like either side doing such things. Its a geopolitical mess, and not as it appears on the surface. The deeper political aspects are lost on most, though much of it can be found on our Forum (and a few other places). It is no secret that some in the 'West' and USA have long sought to destroy and 'tame' for their own purposes Russia and China - something I believe is now impossible [not to mention not desirable nor fair nor legal]. Such apparently small and far-away 'things' have started other wars....the next global war will be the last. Insane megalomaniacs and power/money-hungry persons are in charge of all of the major powers. Life hangs by a thread on this Planet for a host of reasons - not the least of which that the will of the World's People is not empowered, but they are subject to the will of a few who care only about themselves and their tinpot empires. Time for a total paradigm shift. While one can assign blame to one party or another in each 'event', all sides, all major powers are corrupt, undemocratic, autocratic, and insane, IMHO. If you want to see a pure example of continuously-sustained hypocrisy turn on the US media and watch it. I've never seen a worse example of unflinching hypocrisy. Sanctimonious quotes of sovereignty violation and aggression all right in the face of the Bush administration only 10 years ago, not to mention CIA's intervention in Central and South America and overthrow of democratically-elected governments by sneering right-wingers who bragged about it. American Exceptionalism has just grown into a new uglier form. Even Viet Nam. Wasn't that perpetrated by a Gulf Of Tonkin war crime followed by the massive invasion of a sovereign country after CIA murdered our ally Diem? (Not to mention Kennedy) Yesterday Republican Senator Bob Corker from Tennessee was on CNN complaining about Putin. I wish you could have heard him tell the CNN presenter "We now have new means to target these people without telling them they are being targeted or having to account for it". The fascist slipped and showed his true face. Especially scary when spoken with a southern twang. Senator Corker forgets he is citing new laws that were put in place by war criminals and torturers and that those new methods contravene what he is pretending to uphold. CNN has no problem criticizing Putin as an "autocratic leader" while serving this permanent State Department/CIA government as a direct propaganda arm posing as free press. Today Kerry protested ending with the precious line that Putin had "Contrived an obvious pretext" for the invasion of the Ukraine. Those words are especially precious coming from Constitution betrayers, war criminals, and torturers. I agree with Peter about two wrongs not making a right, however the sheer hypocrisy can't go unmentioned. Putin is smart he's basically not feeding the international troll and he's ignoring these hypocritical protests from governments who know they not only would have done the exact same thing but have. America has been pretty good at attacking small defenseless countries of late but now has a real contender to deal with. I hope people are smart enough to see that the true context of this is America is now dealing with the dogs it itself unleashed with their fascist Vice President Dick Chaney and his call for irrelevancy for the same international law these rogue hypocrites have the nerve to cite. The facial expression of some of those reporters is "I know I'm doing wrong and this is a whopper but I don't want to lose my job". ...Freedom... US/NATO War on Russia - Lauren Johnson - 02-03-2014 from The Beeb Quote:Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Ukraine was "on the brink of disaster". |