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US/NATO War on Russia - Ralf Anders - 01-10-2014 I quite liked the movie version of "In the Thick of It" and enjoyed some episodes of "The Mitchell and Webb look" -- otherwise I am not up to date as far as political satire in the UK is concerned. I couldn't really believe what I saw when the guys from "Die Anstalt" did what they did on 29 April concerning Ukraine and the reporting of our media. At one point Uthoff, playing a cynic and pondering the initiation of a new peace movement, stated: "Whatever it takes to make Josef Joffe puke on his keyboard, I'm with it." I have been watching German television for decades and, believe me, this was a historic moment. Wagner and Uthoff were directly attacking some of the most influential journalists in the country in front of millions of viewers and they didn't take prisoners. Uthoff's target was this person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Joffe As I said, they were sued by two of the most prominent journalists from DIE ZEIT (Joffe, Bittner) for very minor inconsistencies. Since then, the programme, not surprisingly, seems not to have merited a single review in a major newspaper. You can watch "Die Anstalt" here (in German): [URL="http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/kanaluebersicht/2078314#/kanaluebersicht/2078314"] http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/kanal...rsicht/2078314[/URL] The incriminated scene is not available on this site but is still available on the internet of course (in German): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvTWo5ZGcNA Ralf P.S. Thanks to all who tried to help me with the paragraphs. It worked as soon as I disabled "No Script." But now Facebook collects my data... Quote:It's a strange thing Ralf. In the UK where we've had a very long history of political satire dating back well over a hundred years, there is not a single TV programme these days that gets close. There are, admittedly a few publications around still, like Private Eye - but even that seems to me to have lost its cutting edge. It's a real loss imo. US/NATO War on Russia - David Guyatt - 02-10-2014 I see from your Wiki link that Josse is a Trilat and has a long Vitae of other important elite American connections. Enough said, as we know where that all leads. US/NATO War on Russia - David Guyatt - 06-10-2014 Interesting that the Indy wants to relate this to the "Ukraine Crisis". What the article avoids mentioning is exactly where over the Balric Sea this incident took place? Was it close to Russian airspace - it was a Swedish surveillance aircraft after all - in which case the provocation may have been from Sweden not Russia? The facts remains that it is just not possible to trust the spin our media engage in nowadays. Quote:Ukraine crisis: Russian fighter jet passes 'within feet' of Swedish surveillance plane over Baltic Sea US/NATO War on Russia - Magda Hassan - 06-10-2014 Sweden is nothing more than a US poodle now. Russia has territory on the Baltic and every reason to be there just as Sweden and Denmark and Finland do. US/NATO War on Russia - Paul Rigby - 05-11-2014 [video=youtube_share;-uSlFkUwtDk]http://youtu.be/-uSlFkUwtDk[/video] US/NATO War on Russia - David Guyatt - 07-11-2014 Numerous media stories over past months have western pols accussing Russia of supplying Ukrainian separatists with weapons. It has been one of the features of Ukrainian war reporting and the making of the "evil Putin" angle that the west has developed. However, it now is revealed that this hasn't been the case at all. Vast Russian stockpiles were left in Ukraine when the Russians withdrew back in the 1990's. And the west knows this. See for yourself. From the MailOnline, March 2014: Quote:Flashback: Senator Obama pushed bill that helped destroy more than 15,000 TONS of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine See also HERE for more on this. US/NATO War on Russia - Lauren Johnson - 07-11-2014 David, What you are saying is true only in part. Yes, the early resistance into June raided these old stockpiles. But as the various Ukrainian units came in with heavy artillery and armor with a 5 to 1 advantage in personnel, the Donbas forces were close to being overrun. Then the so-called Voentorg, was open for business. Several sources freely admit RF covert aid including artillery, heavy armor, experts, advisers, and volunteers. The Novorussia ideal would be long dead by now with only partisan fighting continuing on had it now been for the major assistance from the RF. The so-called Voentorg was closed down just when the Ukrainians were on the verge of collapse as Putin imposed the Minsk Protocols and closed down the Voentorg. Long story. Now apparently, the Voentorg is now been re-opened as it is apparent the Ukrainians have no intention of stopping fighting. They continue to shell Donetsk every day and are nibbling away at the territory of the Donbas. The Ukrainians have renounced the Minsk accords after Novorussiya held their own elections. It seems that it is only a matter of time before the slaughter begins again. My point, those old stock piles have required a lot of external help from the east. However, that help has not to all credible accounts not included any Russian armored divisions, no matter what Samantha Power claims. US/NATO War on Russia - David Guyatt - 08-11-2014 Lauren, I harbour little doubt you're correct about this, but I doubt it makes any meaningful difference to the bigger picture of the Ukrainian situation, which is where my interest really resides. Allow me to explain please. It's not my intention here to purify Putin or Russia, but rather to show who is guilty of starting this damned war - as a prelude to a new cold war, which has now begun. You and I both were born in and lived through one cold war and one is enough. it is, therefore, my continuing intention to demonstrate that this entire affair - and the present war in Ukraine - is US driven and that we in the west have been subject to an unremitting propaganda bombard to get the public in line behind a duplicitous neocon agenda. One the one hand it will rape you, and then loudly shout "rape" and point the finger at someone else to avoid discovery and prosecution - enjoying both guilts equally. Putin has always and openly made it clear that the Ukraine is a vital security interest of Russia - the same way, I guess, that successive US presidents have repeatedly stated that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf is a vital security interest of theirs. Consequently, it can be no surprise that Putin would engage in Ukraine - a nation that is directly on Russia's borders and has, for over 200 years been considered the cradle of the Rus civilization, and which reverberates deeply in the Russian psyche. In contradistinction, the Arabian Gulf is some 7,500 miles distant from the USA and has no racial or tribal parallels. The US interest there is firstly and foremostly about oil, with a distant second interest being the use of Saudi wealth and assets in deniable deep political events around the world. As best as I can tell the US has begun a new cold war against Russia for having the temerity to attempt to shed the US dollar as a currency to do business in - and wishes additionally to draw Europe (partly willingly, I suspect) into a new Sino-Russian/BRICS orbit and away from American economic diktat. The US permitted banking corporations and cartels to destroy the value of the dollar as a reserve currency by closing it's regulatory eyes while it was relentlessly looted several times over - beginning with the Savings & Loan fiasco and ending with the momentous bankrupting of the western banking system circa 2007/8 (and prior years leading up to that). Having permitted this to occur in order to line private pockets at the expense of taxpayers across the world - it now holds no moral remit to impose the dollar on any nation as a continuing reserve currency and it is wholly understandable that large trading nations now seek other options. The US is a busted flush and has no ethical or moral backbone, and has gone the way all empires go... down the greed toilet. US/NATO War on Russia - Magda Hassan - 08-11-2014 David Guyatt Wrote:It's not my intention here to purify Putin or Russia, but rather to show who is guilty of starting this damned war - as a prelude to a new cold war, which has now begun. You and I both were born in and lived through one cold war and one is enough.And they started the old one also. A hot war with !3,000 US troops invaded Russia to join 40,000 British troops (and others) already there. There was a short lasting time of mutual co-operation from 1941 to 1946 and then back to hostilities. Never a moments peace to develop on their own terms. David Guyatt Wrote:Putin has always and openly made it clear that the Ukraine is a vital security interest of Russia - the same way, I guess, that successive US presidents have repeatedly stated that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf is a vital security interest of theirs.Even closer to home. Think of Cuba and how important it was to US interests for there not be Soviet installations there. It almost led to WW3. Fortunately there were better men in the Whitehouse in those times. There is no discernible signs of such intelligence in the Whitehouse today. The Soviet Union stood by its agreement at that time. The US never withdrew their missiles from Turkey and now NATO thinks they can place missiles right up against Russia in former Soviet states at that. David Guyatt Wrote:The US permitted banking corporations and cartels to destroy the value of the dollar as a reserve currency by closing it's regulatory eyes while it was relentlessly looted several times over - beginning with the Savings & Loan fiasco and ending with the momentous bankrupting of the western banking system circa 2007/8 (and prior years leading up to that).This system also actively undermined and collapsed the Soviet Union and there after raided and looted that country of its immense wealth impoverishing millions and plummeting the life expectancy and spreading total despair. It has not been forgotten and certainly not forgiven. David Guyatt Wrote:The US is a busted flush and has no ethical or moral backbone, and has gone the way all empires go... down the greed toilet.Sooner the better we will all be better off with out it. We need to build a better model. US/NATO War on Russia - David Guyatt - 08-11-2014 Magda Hassan Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Putin has always and openly made it clear that the Ukraine is a vital security interest of Russia - the same way, I guess, that successive US presidents have repeatedly stated that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf is a vital security interest of theirs.Even closer to home. Think of Cuba and how important it was to US interests for there not be Soviet installations there. It almost led to WW3. Fortunately there were better men in the Whitehouse in those times. There is no discernible signs of such intelligence in the Whitehouse today. The Soviet Union stood by its agreement at that time. The US never withdrew their missiles from Turkey and now NATO thinks they can place missiles right up against Russia in former Soviet states at that. Yes, a much better example than Saudi - not that Saudi is a bad example... |