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Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Paul Rigby - 11-04-2010 http://governmentagainstthepeople.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/polands-leaders-move-to-weaken-currency-then-die-in-plane-crash/ Quote:Poland’s Leaders Move to Weaken Currency, Then Die in Plane Crash Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Jan Klimkowski - 11-04-2010 The devalution of the zloty can also be viewed in the context of the economic choices outlined in Prof Hudson's piece here: http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3602 Eg: Quote:There is growing recognition that the post-Soviet economies were structured from the start to benefit foreign interests, not local economies. For example, Latvian labor is taxed at over 50 per cent (labor, employer, and social tax) – so high as to make it noncompetitive, while property taxes are less than 1 per cent, providing an incentive toward rampant speculation. This skewed tax philosophy made the “Baltic Tigers” and central Europe prime loan markets for Swedish and Austrian banks, but their labor could not find well-paying work at home. Nothing like this (or their abysmal workplace protection laws) is found in the Western European, North American or Asian economies. Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - David Guyatt - 11-04-2010 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:There were two airports with in-alignment runways no more than a kilometer apart.The polish plane attempted to land four times on the northern airport, which is Smolensk airbase. If the report that the aircraft attempted to land four times before crashing, then this strikes me that it was an accident rather than foul play. In the latter case nothing would have been left to chance - whereas chance seemed to play quite a large role in this crash? Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Jan Klimkowski - 11-04-2010 DPF members - the DPF Mods decided to merge the two threads about the Polish air crash to preserve the information and arguments in one thread. On merging, the software kept David Guyatt's thread title as opposed to Peter Lemkin's. No judgement on either thread was intended in this. Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Jan Klimkowski - 11-04-2010 David Guyatt Wrote:If the report that the aircraft attempted to land four times before crashing, then this strikes me that it was an accident rather than foul play. In the latter case nothing would have been left to chance - whereas chance seemed to play quite a large role in this crash? We have issues of veracity of information. I haven't seen any confirmation from Polish sources about number of attempts at landing or weather etc. In terms of scenarios, if the plane was deliberately casued to malfunction - eg by some electronic interference with its controls - then the number of attempts that the highly experienced Polish military pilot made to land could be evidence that he was not in full control of his plane. Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - David Guyatt - 11-04-2010 Jan Klimkowski Wrote:DPF members - the DPF Mods decided to merge the two threads about the Polish air crash to preserve the information and arguments in one thread. No probs from me. I was merely being a postal service for my sis who picked this item up and asked me to post it because of the difficulty she has keyboarding with her three computer thumbs per hand... Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Carsten Wiethoff - 11-04-2010 According to http://www.wunderground.com/history/station/26781/2010/4/10/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&MR=1 the weather at the time of the attempted landing (short before 10 am CORRECTION: 10:56 local time) in Smolensk was: Temp: 1 deg. C, Dewpoint 1 deg. C, Humidity 98%, QNH 1026 hPa, Visibility 0.5km, Wind from SE with 10.8 km/h, dense fog. So the weather was really bad for a landing without ILS. The final position of the plane is depicted here:
Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Carsten Wiethoff - 11-04-2010 From http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/technical-fault-ruled-out-in-polish-plane-crash/story-e6frf7jx-1225852492394 Technical fault ruled out in Polish plane crash
THERE was no technical problem with the plane that crashed in Russia and killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski, the chief Russian investigator of the crash said. "The recordings that we have confirm that there were no technical problems with the plane," chief investigator Alexander Bastrykin said during a meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin at the site of the crash. Mr Bastrykin, Russia's top investigator, and more than 40 senior specialists have been working at the site in west Russia, where a plane carrying Kaczynski and scores of other top officials crashed on Saturday while trying to land. Fragments of the fuselage, air traffic control recordings and the plane's "black boxes" were being studied in the probe into the causes of the crash, Russia's investigative committee said in a statement. Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Jan Klimkowski - 11-04-2010 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:"The recordings that we have confirm that there were no technical problems with the plane," chief investigator Alexander Bastrykin said during a meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin at the site of the crash. More Russian sources, with Putin controlling the investigation and the information. There were senior Polish intelligence figures on the plane - all now dead, of course. Polish intelligence will be investigating, as far as it can on Russian soil. However, if evidence of foul play is found, I don't expect it to be made public immediately. If this was a deliberate Russian act, then assassinating the Polish President and the miitary high command amounts to a declaration of war. However, it is now abundantly clear that the first memorial service, involving Putin and Tusk, was carefully stage-managed to frame Katyn as a "crime of totalitarianism". Of course Katyn was something different. Katyn was an ethnic crime committed by the NKVD and Stalin. Kaczynski's delegation was not welcome to Putin's regime. And now they're all dead. In the same forest where the NKVD slaughtered around twenty thousand Polish prisoners. Polish President and Army Chief of Staff dead - Myra Bronstein - 11-04-2010 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:According to http://www.wunderground.com/history/station/26781/2010/4/10/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&MR=1 Thanks Carsten, that's actually kinda good to know. According to reports (http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/wires.international/3f9e7efc-www.wlos.com.shtml) "Russian dispatchers had asked the plane's Polish crew members to divert from the military airport where they were trying to land." I would think/hope that a recording would exist of that exchange. If so it seems like Russia would want to release the recording tout de suite. Does anyone know if this has been done? |