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Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Ed Encho - 13-10-2011 This latest fabricated tale is a doozy even for American standards. Interesting timing as always as it has the corrupt media pretty much ignoring the OccupyWallStreet protests again. Bonus points for serving to pump up the rotten to the core DOJ and its fixer Eric Holder. Holder did get slapped with subpoena for his role in the illicit little gun running scandal that is Fast and Furious. Granted the subpoena comes from that slimy partisan hack Darrell Issa but anything that gets Holder and his DOJ minions under oath is welcome. Perhaps there will be other questions that come up that will serve to open doors and let skeletons out just in time for Halloween but it's unlikely. Issa like the rest of the scum that run this lemming farm have to tread carefully if they want to continue to be sponsored by the military industrial-banking-drug money laundering-gun running cartels that own the government lock stock and smoking barrel. I nearly pissed my pants laughing at the ludicrous details of the great Holder and the bogus Iran plot to assassinate diplomats and blow up embassies on U.S. soil, Jesus Fucking Christ, if I thought that the underpants bomber tale and the recent model airplane attack on the Pentagon was a mockery of the average Joe's intelligence this one was really over the top. Oops, here in America the average Joe is an angry jacked up on anti-Muslim propaganda dimwit like Joe the Plumber. Life goes on as does the drumbeat for Obama's complicity in Israel's attack on Iran. The only thing that changes here are the names. Just my two cents EE Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Lauren Johnson - 13-10-2011 Ed Encho Wrote:I nearly pissed my pants laughing at the ludicrous details of the great Holder and the bogus Iran plot to assassinate diplomats and blow up embassies on U.S. soil, Jesus Fucking Christ, if I thought that the underpants bomber tale and the recent model airplane attack on the Pentagon was a mockery of the average Joe's intelligence this one was really over the top. Oops, here in America the average Joe is an angry jacked up on anti-Muslim propaganda dimwit like Joe the Plumber. Normally, when he hear something like this, it takes me a while to say, "Hey, wait a minute." This time I was spewing coffee before the story was even done on NPR. What drama!! On a serious note, the inclusion of a drug cartel cannot be ignored. A Mexican drug cartel now included in the trope of the War on Terror? That means that we can do anything we want because we are under attack. After all, we are at war. Now we have the justification to turn our attention toward Mexico and all that it means. Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Jan Klimkowski - 13-10-2011 The Volkland Security Complex didn't hire Shakespeare. They didn't even pitch their lies at the West Wing level. This is just a crappy daytime soap opera plot, whose intended audience believe the Jeremy Kyle Show is real and X Factor antics constitute breaking news. A preposterous plot starring B-movie Bogeymen delivered with contempt to a dumbed down nation. Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Ed Jewett - 13-10-2011 Iranian Terror Plot: Fake, Fake, Fake Questions abound over Iran "plot" to kill Saudi envoy (Reuters) Used-car salesman as Iran proxy? Why assassination plot doesn't add up for experts. (CSM) You Should Hope the Crazy Iranian Bomb Plot Is True (Danger Room) "The wild story put out by the Justice Department about an Iranian assassination plot smells suspiciously like something passed through a bull's digestive tract." http://ricefarmer.blogspot.com/2011/10/news-links-october-13-2011.html Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Ed Jewett - 13-10-2011 No Direct Evidence of Iranian Government Complicity in PlotThe Obama administration continues to claim the Iranian government helped orchestrate the plot, while admitting evidence is lackingby John Glaser, October 12, 2011| Print This | Share This | Antiwar Forum United States officials in the Obama administration and Justice Department have explicitly claimed that Iran's supreme leader and the Quds Force covert operations unit were likely aware of the so-called terror plot to kill Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States. But evidence of that is lacking and many officials have admitted there are gaps in their understanding of the plot.The Obama administration has combatively blamed the highest echelons of the Iranian government and promised impending consequences, despite the fact that there is no solid information about "exactly how high it goes," as one official put it.Anonymous government officials speaking to various media outlets have said that their belief that Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, "more than likely" had prior knowledge of the plot is based on inference. The Quds Force operates, they reason, in accordance and obedience to Iran's supreme leadership, so a rogue actor is unlikely.But unlikely describes the plot itself, as even US officials admit it was very out of character. The Quds Force has a history of shrewd covert operations and calculated dealings with proxies. "The Iranian modus operandi is only to trust sensitive plots to their own employees, or to trusted proxies," wrote Kenneth Katzman of the Congressional Research Service on Gulf2000 on Wednesday.And the accused perpetrator Manssor Arbabsiar and a Mexican drug gang don't fit the protocol. "Are we to believe that this Texas car seller was a Qods sleeper agent for many years resident in the US? Ridiculous," said Mr. Katzman. "They never ever use such has-beens or loosely connected people for sensitive plots such as this.""It's a very strange case, it doesn't really fit Iran's mode of operation," Alireza Nader, an Iran analyst at the Rand Corporation told the Christian Science Monitor. "This [plot] doesn't seem to serve Iran's interests in any conceivable way," he added.Former CIA agent Robert Baer said the culpability of the Iranian leadership is not believable. "I don't think it's credible, not the central government, there may be a rogue element behind it," Baer said in an interview. "They wouldn't be sending money through an American bank, they wouldn't be going to the cartels in Mexico to do this. It's just not the way they work."Carrying out this kind of action, especially within the United States, would be against Iran's interests, by most expert accounts. It entails a lot of risk of retaliation and potential suffering, and no discernible gain.Another reason that top-level Iranian government coordination in this plot is unlikely is because the plot was developed for the most part by the FBI and the undercover DEA agent. Arbabsiar had originally planned to kidnap the Saudi ambassador, andonly after meeting with the undercover agent did kidnapping turn into assassinating, and it was the undercover agent who first suggested using explosives.That the leadership of the Iranian government would have foreknowledge of an assassination plot by a disgruntled Texas resident that was largely concocted by US law enforcement agents is very unlikely. Still, the Obama administration continues to blame the Ayatollah Khamenei and Iranian government for it, even as US officials admit they have no direct evidence for such a claim. http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/12/no-direct-evidence-of-iranian-government-complicity-in-arbabsiar-plot/ Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Ed Jewett - 13-10-2011 Wednesday, October 12, 2011 Feds Foil Own Saudi Assassination Plot: Pin it on Iran Federal entrapment snares another dupe and brings hundreds of millions to the brink of war. Tony Cartalucci, Contributing Writer Activist Post "...it would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be. Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.) This suggests that this option might benefit from being held in abeyance until such time as the Iranians made an appropriately provocative move, as they do from time to time. In that case, it would be less a determined policy to employ airstrikes and instead more of an opportunistic hope that Iran would provide the United States with the kind of provocation that would justify airstrikes. However, that would mean that the use of airstrikes could not be the primary U.S. policy toward Iran (even if it were Washington's fervent preference), but merely an ancillary contingency to another option that would be the primary policy unless and until Iran provided the necessary pretext." -page 84-85 of "Which Path to Persia?" Brookings Institution, 2009. Apparently, manufacturing such a "necessary pretext" to unilaterally bomb a nation of 70 million is now also a part of US foreign policy toward Iran. An oafish fabrication announced this week by Attorney General Eric Holder, consisted of an Iranian-American used-car salesman that "allegedly" attempted to hire an undercover US DEA agent, posing as a Mexican Los Zetas gangster, to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would add "nobody could make that up, right?" Wrong. The Fortune 500-funded US policy think-tank, Brookings Institution, in 2009 made it quite clear that the US would pursue its interests across the Middle East and would not tolerate a strong, assertive Iran standing in the way. Brookings would acknowledge in their report, however, that Iran sought neither to confront the United States militarily, nor desired to provoke the West into attacking the Islamic Republic, and even declared that Iran's nuclear threat was more the deterrence it would present toward future US acts of aggression rather than hyped claims of proliferation or unilateral first-strikes. Many of the enumerated options explored in the Brookings report for destabilizing and overthrowing the Iranian government had already been in the process of being carried out even before the report was published in 2009. This included funding, arming, and training US State Department-listed foreign terrorist organization (#28 on the list), Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK.) To date, covert support, weapons and funding have already made it into MEK's hands, and select members of the terrorist organization have even received specialized training on US soil. US policy makers, after admitting MEK had the blood of US soldiers and civilians on its hands and that it has "undeniably" conducted terrorist attacks, shockingly wants to remove it from the US foreign terrorist organization list so that it can be worked with more closely in toppling the Iranian government. Below, Brookings clearly authored this policy now being fully executed: "Perhaps the most prominent (and certainly the most controversial) opposition group that has attracted attention as a potential U.S. proxy is the NCRI (National Council of Resistance of Iran), the political movement established by the MEK (Mujahedin-e Khalq). Critics believe the group to be undemocratic and unpopular, and indeed anti-American. In contrast, the group's champions contend that the movement's long-standing opposition to the Iranian regime and record of successful attacks on and intelligence-gathering operations against the regime make it worthy of U.S. support. They also argue that the group is no longer anti-American and question the merit of earlier accusations. Raymond Tanter, one of the group's supporters in the United States, contends that the MEK and the NCRI are allies for regime change in Tehran and also act as a useful proxy for gathering intelligence. The MEK's greatest intelligence coup was the provision of intelligence in 2002 that led to the discovery of a secret site in Iran for enriching uranium. Despite its defenders' claims, the MEK remains on the U.S. government list of foreign terrorist organizations. In the 1970s, the group killed three U.S. officers and three civilian contractors in Iran. During the 1979-1980 hostage crisis, the group praised the decision to take America hostages and Elaine Sciolino reported that while group leaders publicly condemned the 9/11 attacks, within the group celebrations were widespread. Undeniably, the group has conducted terrorist attacksoften excused by the MEK's advocates because they are directed against the Iranian government. For example, in 1981, the group bombed the headquarters of the Islamic Republic Party, which was then the clerical leadership's main political organization, killing an estimated 70 senior officials. More recently, the group has claimed credit for over a dozen mortar attacks, assassinations, and other assaults on Iranian civilian and military targets between 1998 and 2001. At the very least, to work more closely with the group (at least in an overt manner), Washington would need to remove it from the list of foreign terrorist organizations." page 117-118 of "Which Path to Persia?"Brookings Institution, 2009 While Attorney General Eric Holder feigns outrage over Iran's "alleged" role in an "alleged" bombing plot, and its violation of "international norms," it turns out that the US has been in reality, carrying out just such a campaign of armed terror on Iranian soil for years. Adding insult to injury, Eric Holder is currently under investigation for his role in running thousands of military-grade weapons over the US-Mexican border, where they were used by mass-murdering drug gangs to terrorize people across Mexico and even to kill US agents. One might wonder how many "international norms" that has violated. That the current "alleged" plot pinned on Iran revolves around yet another undercover federal agency conducting a long-term sting operation defies belief. That we are expected to believe one of Iran's most elite military forces left such a sensitive, potentially war-starting operation to a used-car salesman and a drug gang reported in the papers daily for its involvement with US government agencies (and who turns out to actually be undercover DEA agents) is so ridiculous it can only be "made up" as Secretary Clinton puts it. More accurately, it is the result of an impotent US intelligence community incapable of contriving anything more convincing in the face of an ever awakening American public, to bolster its morally destitute agenda. The cartoonish nature of the plot and the arms' length even its proponents treat it with to maintain plausible deniability is indicative of a dangerously out of control ruling elite and an utterly incompetent, criminally insane government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQO60H6fSU&feature=player_embedded It might be noted that this is yet another example of a "terrorist plot" conjured up by federal agencies, hyped by politicians and the media, and leveraged to propel foreign and domestic policy the public and the world at large have already soundly rejected. Two other notable examples include the Portland "Christmas Tree Bomber" used to terrorize the city into rejoining the FBI's Joint Terror Task Force, and the more recent "RC Plane Bomber" who was entrapped by FBI agents in order to keep the fraud that is the "War on Terror" alive. Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Ed Jewett - 14-10-2011 Vote: What's Iran's Next Insane Terror Plot?
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No HTML allowed. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/vote-iran-terror-plot/ Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Magda Hassan - 14-10-2011 I had to leave the ad in as it seemed so.....appropriate.... Quote: Alleged Iran Plot's WikiLeaks Link Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Magda Hassan - 14-10-2011 IRANIAN TERROR MASTERMIND LIKELY WANTED DRUG DEAL, NOT MURDERGareth Porter published an important story about the alleged Iran terror plot. In it he notes that nowhere in the Justice Department criminal complaint does it say that Arbabsiar ever agreed to assassinate anyone. In fact, it is the DEA agent who repeatedly attempts to introduce and re-introduce the notion of perpetrating an act of terror. At no point do the charges say the Iranian ever suggested this or agreed to it. Porter says that what's much more likely is that the alleged terror suspect was first drawn into the web by the prospect of doing a drug deal: On May 24, when Arbabsiar first met with the DEA informant he thought was part of a Mexican drug cartel, it was not to hire a hit squad to kill the ambassador. Rather, there is reason to believe that the main purpose was to arrange a deal to sell large amounts of opium from Afghanistan. In fact, in today's NY Times a reporter interviewed neighbors who noted that young people entered and exited the suspect's house at all hours of the day and night. It made them think that drugs were being dealt there.…Three Bloomberg reporters, citing a "federal law enforcement official", wrote that Arbabsiar told the DEA informant he represented Iranians who "controlled drug smuggling and could provide tons of opium". The IPS reporter notes that the IRG controls a huge volume of drug trafficking in nearby Afghanistan and that they have begun to ship heroin around the world including to Mexican drug cartels. It appears that the paid DEA informant, himself a drug dealer, first approached Arbabsiar not about an act of terror, but about a drug deal. The Iranian was only, as far as the records show, interested in doing a drug deal. He listened to the tales of the DEA agent only because he was being strung along to believe there was a drug deal in the making: …The absence of any statement attributed to Arbabsiar imply that the Iranian- American said nothing about assassinating the Saudi ambassador except in response to suggestions by the informant, who was already part of an FBI undercover operation. Interestingly, the FBI complaint doesn't mention any discussion about drugs. I wonder why?…Not a single quote from Arbabsiar shows that he agreed to assassinating the ambassador, much less proposed it, suggest[ing] that he was either non-committal or linking the issue to something else, such as the prospect of a major drug deal with the cartel. This is not only entrapment, it is the government lying about the basic nature of the case. Manssor Arbabsiar appears to be a wannabe Texas drug dealer who had connections holding product via his cousin, who may or may not be affiliated with the IRG. That the IRG deals in drugs I have no doubt. But the claim that the IRG plotted to kill the Saudi ambassador or anyone remains about the lamest claim ever to come out of the Obama administration. I feel a real sense of betrayal regarding Obama. I expected crap like this from Bush and Cheney. You knew they were going to cheat and lie to advance their political agenda. But Obama? Why? Why does he need to do this? What does he gain by this even if half of the charges are true (which I'm convinced they're not)? He gets new sanctions against Iran? Big deal? Maybe he even uses this to forestall an Israeli attack on Iran. But why risk a huge black eye if the case goes to s(^t as it appears it will? Where are those killer political instincts we thought we saw during the presidential election campaign? Abandoned him, it appears. http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/10/13/iranian-terror-mastermind-likely-wanted-drug-deal-not-murder/ Iran 'Directed' Washington, D.C., Terror Plot, U.S. Says - Jan Klimkowski - 14-10-2011 Quote:On May 24, when Arbabsiar first met with the DEA informant he thought was part of a Mexican drug cartel, it was not to hire a hit squad to kill the ambassador. Rather, there is reason to believe that the main purpose was to arrange a deal to sell large amounts of opium from Afghanistan. :hippy: So, it was just the military-multinational-intelligence complex taking out the competition.... |