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The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
Magda Hassan Wrote:Tom Scully Wrote:He is but a carnival barker, a sideshow. Pence and the party are the mullahs to truly fear, along with the dead ender, hangers on who will have executive authority, and the judges and justices to be appointed in the image and likeness of Scalia in the new rural reich.
Pence terrifies me. As you say Trump just a carnival barker.
Tom Scully Wrote:Blue lives matter, now.All lives will need to matter.
Pence will be the de facto President and run the country while Trump indulges his favorite hobby -- wreaking revenge.
Pence hates Putin.
It's only a matter of time before Putin says something mean about Trump and the US will be at loggerheads with the Russians.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Carsten Wiethoff - 09-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:Where was the "play"?
From http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-13/how-much-it-costs-get-ambassadorship-guccifer-20-leaks-dnc-pay-play-donor-list
Here is the first cut of the alleged major donors on the leaked documents and the positions they received (via Magafeed.com)
- #1 Matthew Berzun … Ambassador to UK
- #2 Julius Genachowski … Former chairman to FCC
- #3 Frank Sanchez…. Under secretary of commerce
- #8 Kirk Wagner… Ambassador to Singapore
- #9 Alan Solomont … Ambassador to Spain
- #11 John Roos… Ambassador to Japan
- #12 Nicole Avant… Ambassador to Bahamas
- #13 Eileen Chamberlain Donahoe … Ambassador to the UN
- #16 Steve Westly CFO of California
- #17 Don Beyer Ambassador to Switzerland
- #21 Don Gips Ambassador to South Africa
- #22 Howard Gutman Ambassador to Belgium
- #24 Cynthia Stroum Ambassador to Luxembourg
- #27 Mark Gilbert Ambassador to New Zealand
- #31 Norm Eisen Ambassador to Czech Republic
- #37 Bruce Oreck Ambassador to Finland
- #43 Tony West deputy Attorney General
- #45 Bill Kennard Ambassador to EU
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Where was the "play"?
From http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-13/how-much-it-costs-get-ambassadorship-guccifer-20-leaks-dnc-pay-play-donor-list
Here is the first cut of the alleged major donors on the leaked documents and the positions they received (via Magafeed.com)
- #1 Matthew Berzun … Ambassador to UK
- #2 Julius Genachowski … Former chairman to FCC
- #3 Frank Sanchez…. Under secretary of commerce
- #8 Kirk Wagner… Ambassador to Singapore
- #9 Alan Solomont … Ambassador to Spain
- #11 John Roos… Ambassador to Japan
- #12 Nicole Avant… Ambassador to Bahamas
- #13 Eileen Chamberlain Donahoe … Ambassador to the UN
- #16 Steve Westly CFO of California
- #17 Don Beyer Ambassador to Switzerland
- #21 Don Gips Ambassador to South Africa
- #22 Howard Gutman Ambassador to Belgium
- #24 Cynthia Stroum Ambassador to Luxembourg
- #27 Mark Gilbert Ambassador to New Zealand
- #31 Norm Eisen Ambassador to Czech Republic
- #37 Bruce Oreck Ambassador to Finland
- #43 Tony West deputy Attorney General
- #45 Bill Kennard Ambassador to EU
You are apparently unaware that diplomatic posts are traditionally given to the winning candidate's donors.
All American Presidents dole out ambassadorships to those who supported them.
All those folks supported Obama, yes?
You are criminalizing normal American political arrangements.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Carsten Wiethoff - 09-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:You are apparently unaware that diplomatic posts are traditionally given to the winning candidate's donors.
All American Presidents dole out ambassadorships to those who supported them.
You are criminalizing normal American political arrangements.
I readily admit that I was unaware of this practice. I still find it corrupt, even if it may not be against US law. I may well be that Trump will engage in the same practice, which I still will find corrupt. We have to see, and it will not be easy, for all.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - David Guyatt - 09-11-2016
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:You are apparently unaware that diplomatic posts are traditionally given to the winning candidate's donors.
All American Presidents dole out ambassadorships to those who supported them.
You are criminalizing normal American political arrangements.
I readily admit that I was unaware of this practice. I still find it corrupt, even if it may not be against US law. I may well be that Trump will engage in the same practice, which I still will find corrupt. We have to see, and it will not be easy, for all.
For we Europeans Carsten, it is corrupt and would lead to public outrage and resignations, if not criminal charges.
For America it is simply business as usual.
Which is another way of saying that corruption in American is the way of life.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:You are apparently unaware that diplomatic posts are traditionally given to the winning candidate's donors.
All American Presidents dole out ambassadorships to those who supported them.
You are criminalizing normal American political arrangements.
I readily admit that I was unaware of this practice. I still find it corrupt, even if it may not be against US law.
It's more corrupt to gin up bad optics around the practice in order to disqualify a candidate.
Do you really think Obama appointed these people because they gave to the Clinton Foundation?
Nonsense.
Quote: I may well be that Trump will engage in the same practice, which I still will find corrupt. We have to see, and it will not be easy, for all.
Trump makes Clinton look like a Sunday school teacher.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
David Guyatt Wrote:Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:You are apparently unaware that diplomatic posts are traditionally given to the winning candidate's donors.
All American Presidents dole out ambassadorships to those who supported them.
You are criminalizing normal American political arrangements.
I readily admit that I was unaware of this practice. I still find it corrupt, even if it may not be against US law. I may well be that Trump will engage in the same practice, which I still will find corrupt. We have to see, and it will not be easy, for all.
For we Europeans Carsten, it is corrupt and would lead to public outrage and resignations, if not criminal charges.
For America it is simply business as usual.
Which is another way of saying that corruption in American is the way of life.
Just curious -- how are British diplomats chosen?
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Tracy Riddle - 09-11-2016
I'm disgusted and appalled, but not 100% surprised. I've been dreading an outcome like this off and on all year. There are a lot of hateful, ignorant, uneducated people in this country who will believe what a reality TV star tells them.
Anyone who thinks Trump is less corrupt hasn't been paying attention to the really good investigative journalism that's been done in the print media (magazines more than newspapers). Little of it ended up on TV. In a couple of weeks he'll be in court in NY having to defend his Trump University scam. He'll probably spend a large chunk of his presidency in court.
I also wonder how long it will be before his instability leads certain elements in the military to remove him from power one way or another.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - David Guyatt - 09-11-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:You are apparently unaware that diplomatic posts are traditionally given to the winning candidate's donors.
All American Presidents dole out ambassadorships to those who supported them.
You are criminalizing normal American political arrangements.
I readily admit that I was unaware of this practice. I still find it corrupt, even if it may not be against US law. I may well be that Trump will engage in the same practice, which I still will find corrupt. We have to see, and it will not be easy, for all.
For we Europeans Carsten, it is corrupt and would lead to public outrage and resignations, if not criminal charges.
For America it is simply business as usual.
Which is another way of saying that corruption in American is the way of life.
Just curious -- how are British diplomats chosen?
They're usually recruited by the Foreign & Commonwealth office from university and rise on the greasy pole of that institution as civil servants.
Political appointees are far less common here in the UK, but not unknown. One that comes to mind was the "Prince of Darkness", Peter Mandelson who was appointed by the awful Neil Kinnock, one time Labour Party leader as his "spin doctor". Tony Blair later appointed him Minister Without Portfolio and then a State Secretary and finally nominated him for Enoblement. He is today Peter Benjamin Mandelson, Baron Mandelson, Lord Prince of Darkness.
Lots of rumours and speculation that he was very, very close to Britain's intelligence establishment, who ensured Blair's victory in 1997.
The Assassination of Hillary Clinton - Cliff Varnell - 09-11-2016
David Guyatt Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:I readily admit that I was unaware of this practice. I still find it corrupt, even if it may not be against US law. I may well be that Trump will engage in the same practice, which I still will find corrupt. We have to see, and it will not be easy, for all.
For we Europeans Carsten, it is corrupt and would lead to public outrage and resignations, if not criminal charges.
For America it is simply business as usual.
Which is another way of saying that corruption in American is the way of life.
Just curious -- how are British diplomats chosen?
They're usually recruited by the Foreign & Commonwealth office from university and rise on the greasy pole of that institution as civil servants.
Political appointees are far less common here in the UK, but not unknown. One that comes to mind was the "Prince of Darkness", Peter Mandelson who was appointed by the awful Neil Kinnock, one time Labour Party leader as his "spin doctor". Tony Blair later appointed him Minister Without Portfolio and then a State Secretary and finally nominated him for Enoblement. He is today Peter Benjamin Mandelson, Baron Mandelson, Lord Prince of Darkness.
Lots of rumours and speculation that he was very, very close to Britain's intelligence establishment, who ensured Blair's victory in 1997.
Interesting, thanks.