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Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Jan Klimkowski - 21-04-2009 David Guyatt Wrote:I feel sure that Strassmeir was an intelligence plant. He was former German military and his father was a German politician who I believe was close to former German Chancellor Kohl. The whole thing reeks. David - I concur. Like you and others on this board, I spoke with David Hoffman and have a lot of respect for his courageous investigation. I visited Oklahoma City shortly after the event, and spoke with a lot of furious police officers. Carol Howe? Spooooookeeeee.... Andy Strassmeir? Schpooookeeeee.... Elohim City? Implausibly deniable... Here's David Hoffman's book: Quote:The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt.htm David Hoffman: Quote:Echoing the factitious rants of ATF chief Lester Matz, Governor Frank Keating, and other federal officials in Oklahoma, FBI Director William Webster called the charges of federal complicity "utterly absurd." Although the killers had been recruited, organized and led on their murderous rampage by ATF and FBI operatives, none ever served a day of jail-time.[1176] Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Bruce Clemens - 21-04-2009 Found these of interest: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/bible.jpg Tiffany Bible was a paramedic called to the Murrah Building following the bombing. This affidavit reports three important facts. 1. The ATF were not in the building. 2. That the ATF was already putting out a story that the Murrah Building was bombed "because of Waco" only a few hours after the actual blast and before Tim McVeigh was even arrested. 3. That an unexploded bomb was found attached to a gas line inside the building. [URL="http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/blanchard.jpg"] [/URL][size=12]http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/blanchard.jpg Arlene was a survivor of the bombing. In this press release, issued at the time of her grand jury appearance, she reveals that she was ordered to keep silent about what she knew of the bombing by the Army under threat of court martial.[/SIZE] http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/dod.jpg This memo, issued 36 hours after the bombing, reports at least two additional bombs were found in the Murrah Building. [URL="http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/harp.jpg"] http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/harp.jpg[/URL] Joe Harp, based on his military explosives experience, refutes the ANFO claim and identifies the additional bombs he sees removed from the building as being military in nature. [size=12]http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/steele1.jpg[/SIZE] [size=12]http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/steele2.jpg[/SIZE] Virgil Steele is the elevator inspector who discovered that the story told by a senior BATF agent about being trapped in a plummeting elevator was a lie. The elevators were in working order except for being without power, and nobody had been trapped in them. Virgil also sees two additional bombs being removed from the building. http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/graham1.jpg http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/graham2.jpg http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/graham3.jpg This statement by a survivor tells of three men she saw in the Murrah Building Garage the week prior to the bombing, and the FBI's obvious disinterest in the matter. Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Bruce Clemens - 22-04-2009 These came soon after the bombing. I include commentary in red and other emphases are mine. The New York Times April 23, 1995, Sunday, Late Edition – Final[/FONT] TERROR IN OKLAHOMA: THE WITNESSES;[/FONT] Those Who Lived, Mostly Just by Chance, Tell Their Stories[/FONT] BYLINE: By The New York Times SECTION: Section 1; Page 34; Column 1; National Desk LENGTH: 2928 words DATELINE: OKLAHOMA CITY, April 22 4. "The building just started sliding into the street." -- RICHARD S. SLAY Mr. Slay, 49, is an auditor for the Department of Health and Human Services. I arrived at just about 9 o'clock and walked into the Federal building. I walked right over to the elevators, punched the "up" button. I was on the far side, as far away from the street as you can get, standing in front of the elevator. As soon as the doors opened, the air in the elevator shaft started whooshing out. There must have been little pebbles and dirt in the elevator shaft getting sucked up. It pelted my right hand and my right arm, where I was just wearing a button-down shirt -- I had it rolled up. The blast of air came first, and then the explosion. "The blast of air came first, and then the explosion." A blast of air strong enough to pelt Mr. Slay's arm with pebbles and dirt must certainly have been be caused by compression of the elevator shaft. But "the explosion" came later. The building was already deconstructing before the truck went off. 6. "I was sitting maybe three feet away, and where I usually sat was gone." -- BOBBIE PURVINE Ms. Purvine, 24, worked in the Federal Employees Credit Union on the third floor of the Murrah building. There was no warning of any sort. First it went black, and I thought the electricity had just gone off, because we don't have any windows on that side and it had done that before. Then stuff started falling, and smoke, the nastiest-smelling smell, like burnt tar. I'm a teller, and I wasn't at my station because I was posting mail. And the tellers, where they were had collapsed. I was sitting maybe three feet away, and where I usually sat was gone. "First it went black, and I thought the electricity had just gone off...Then stuff started falling, and smoke, the nastiest-smelling smell, like burnt tar." Notice the latency between the room going black and the destruction? That certainly is not the description of one bomb that takes out half the building. Something took out the power before the main bomb(s) did their damage. Here're are some VERY interesting clippings from other media after the blast. (Emphases mine) The Philadelphia Inquirer
APRIL 20, 1995 Thursday FINAL EDITION
WORKERS AT COMPLEX HERE WORRY ABOUT OTHERS, THEMSELVES / FEDERAL EMPLOYEES KEPT TABS ON COLLEAGUES IN OKLAHOMA CITY. " . . . HERE WE ARE, ALL JUST SITTING HERE," SAID A WORKER. BYLINE: Joseph A. Slobodzian, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER, Inquirer staff writer Jeff Gelles contributed to this article. SECTION: NATIONAL; Pg. A22 LENGTH: 791 words At other federal offices, colleagues worried about people they knew who worked in the Murrah building. At the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms office in the historic Customs House at Second and Chestnut Streets, Robert F. Graham, the assistant agent in charge, was on the phone trying to find out the status of the bureau's small Oklahoma City office, on the ninth floor of the ruined building. All 10 agents and support staff were accounted for, Graham said, but one agent was known to be trapped on the ninth floor. By mid-afternoon, said ATF agent Stephen T. Haskins, the bureau here got some of the sparse good news to come out of Oklahoma City. The colleague had been found uninjured, trapped in an elevator. Daily News (New York) April 20, 1995, Thursday BYLINE: By MICHAEL DALY Daily News Columnist SECTION: News Pg. 25 LENGTH: 707 words ...Only greater horror lay below. The blast that had shredded the front of the building had also torn into a day care center on the second floor. Espe had often ridden the elevator with the children who now had been left mangled and screaming. One other adult who had been as lucky as Espe was the local agent in charge of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The agent had been in an elevator at the time of the blast, and he had plummeted several floors. He walked away in good enough shape to call his supervisors, and the agents agreed what had happened. Back in July 1994, ATF agents had flown to Argentina to help investigate the car bombing of a building where several Jewish organizations were headquartered. A white Renault van packed with explosives had proven able to tear the front off the structure, killing 95 and injuring 200. What happened to the federal building in Oklahoma City was nearly identical. [Worth looking into. Maybe a precursor to a precursor?] The hunt for these other car bombers was already beginning as Espe and the other survivors were helped from the scene. NPR April 20, 1995
A Live Report From Oklahoma CitySHOW: Morning Edition (NPR 6:00 am ET) GUESTS: Rev. LARRY JONES, Director and Founder, Feed the Children BYLINE: WADE GOODWYN SECTION: News; Domestic LENGTH: 992 words HIGHLIGHT: Wade Goodwyn reports live from Oklahoma City, site of the terrorist bomb attack yesterday. He talks of eyewitness accounts and the efforts being made by volunteer and relief groups to help the many injured. BOB EDWARDS: What stories have you heard from rescue workers? WADE GOODWYN: Well, it's- it's hard to imagine that the- that the effects of a bomb of this size has on- on- on the human body. I've heard stories about- from people who were a few blocks away and who felt a- the effects of the concussion. Reporters have talked about the fact that- that eardrums, people who were two or three blocks away, immediately burst upon impact, and a number of people have been blinded by the effects of the concussion on their optical nerves, and doctors don't know whether or not they're going to get their sight back.[ WTF???] And these are people who were otherwise untouched by the effects of the blast. One witness told me a story about he was on the scene within 15 minutes after it happened and he saw a man being led away by rescue workers. From the front he seemed completely- perfectly dressed, but as- as he passed you, all of his clothes in the back had been torn away, and he again had- had been otherwise untouched by glass or debris. He was not bleeding, it was just the- the effects of the concussion. Daily News (New York) April 24, 1995, Monday MARCH OF THE TEDDY BEARS BYLINE: BY MIKE McALARY SECTION: News Pg. 2 LENGTH: 776 words Once, Timothy McVeigh was a child, too. For some reason, visitors to the ceremony here were struck by that thought yesterday as teddy bears were handed to the mothers of the children McVeigh allegedly slaughtered. He had a mother, too, who was once joyful at the thought of him but later quit him and his father to live in Florida. Twenty-seven years ago yesterday he was born. Now his birthday a day that once meant the celebration of Timothy McVeigh is a national day of mourning. We live in a time of kooks. We enable them, and allow them to carry on, with our freedom of speech. They are the waste product of democracy. The child who the feds say grew into a bomber and filled a city with teddy bears was not born with a chip on his shoulder. Once, McVeigh was as pure and right as the children the feds say he bombed. Hate is an acquired trait. So is madness. By the time McVeigh got out of the Army after the Gulf War, the chip was secure on his shoulder. So was the madness. Reportedly he has told a friend that the Army implanted a computer chip in his body. Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Bruce Clemens - 22-04-2009 This harkens back to the attempted Carter assassination where the two perpetrators were Raymond Lee Harvey and Osvaldo Ortiz. At least we can't claim that The Powers That Be don't have a sense of humor... [Emphases mine] CNN July 7, 1995 SHOW: NEWS 8:16 pm ET Book Shares Similar Facts of Oklahoma City Bombing BYLINE: TONY CLARK SECTION: News; Domestic LENGTH: 516 words HIGHLIGHT: Martin Keating is the author of "The Final Jihad", a book which has eery similarities to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The author is already planning a sequel. He is the brother of Oklahoma's governor. LINDEN SOLES, Anchor: The Oklahoma City bombing has been re-told in books and magazines. But a book written four years ago has some haunting similarities to the actual tragedy. Even more ironic, the book's author is the brother of Oklahoma's governor. Here's CNN's Tony Clark. TONY CLARK, Correspondent: When a bomb destroyed the federal building in Oklahoma City, Martin Keating was personally shocked and grieved. But as an author, he was not completely surprised. Four years ago, Keating finished writing a novel called The Final Jihad. It deals with terrorist bombings across the U.S. The terrorists in Keating's book are based in Oklahoma. MARTIN KEATING, Author, 'The Final Jihad': The reason I based my terrorists in Oklahoma was precisely that, because it was a place you would overlook. And this would be an ideal place. TONY CLARK: The similarities between fact and fiction are striking. For example, the prime bombing suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing is named Tim McVeigh. One of Keating's characters is Tom McVeigh. In real life, McVeigh was arrested by highway patrol trooper Charlie Hanger for a traffic violation. In the novel - MARTIN KEATING: We also have a highway patrolman who, doing his job, pulls over a suspicious vehicle and he makes a discovery, which at the time he doesn't understand fully the significance of, and it breaks the case open. Of course, that happened in real life with Charlie Hanger. TONY CLARK: Keating started his as of yet unpublished novel in 1988. Over the years, he's had to make several revisions, as fictional events he wrote about became reality- the fall of the Berlin Wall; Gorbachev's resignation and the breakup of the Soviet Union; the attack on the World Trade Center, and an airplane crashing into the White House. MARTIN KEATING: When those things happened, I had to go back and change the book, make past tense out of what I had as future tense. TONY CLARK: However, Keating's bombers were international terrorists financed by hard line communists, a group not suspected in the real bombing. But the similarities between Keating's fiction and reality have been grist for the Internet, fueling the suspicion of some conspiracy theorists. Some even see a conspiracy connection because Keating's brother is Oklahoma's governor. Gov. FRANK KEATING (R-OK): You know there are silly people who say silly things. There are dumb people who do dumb things, and to suggest that there is any connection or similarity is very, very remote. [More remote than...Tim McVeigh...Tom McVeigh?!] TONY CLARK: The author, Martin Keating, is already planning a sequel to The Final Jihad. Because at the end of The Final Jihad, one of the bad guys gets away. That's one piece of Keating's fiction people here hope doesn't come true. Tony Clark, CNN, Oklahoma City. [Too late...they all got away.] Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - David Guyatt - 22-04-2009 The independent report on the bombing of the Murrah Building by Brigadier General Partin, UFAF retired is essential reading in any thread on the OKC bombing. The following is Partin's bio: Quote:Resume of Brig. Gen. Partin USAF (ret.) General Partin's report can be read HERE Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Bruce Clemens - 24-04-2009 From http://911review.com/precedent/decade/index.html 1990s Precedents for 9/11/01 The 1990s saw several deceptions used as pretexts for wars and the advancement of police-state aparatuses. While none of these incidents shares all of the most important features with the 9/11/01 attack, each has several important parallels. The most direct precedent to the 9/11/01 attack was the Oklahoma City bombing. In both case most of the damage was produced by hidden explosives but blamed on a diversion. Consider this comparison: OKC 1995 collapse produced by internal explosives explained as progressive collapse WTC 2001 collapse produced by internal explosives explained as progressive collapse OKC 1995 AMFO truck bomb WTC 2001 767 crashes OKC 1995 patsies Timothy McVeih and Terry Nichols WTC 2001 patsies Mohammad Atta, et.al. OKC 1995 absent during attack: FBI and ATF personnel WTC 2001 absent during attack: CEOs OKC 1995 evidence handling: rubble buried without analysis; surveillance tapes suppressed by FBI steel recycled without analysis; WTC 2001 evidence handling: Ground Zero photographs prohibited; Pentagon surveillance tapes suppressed by FBI OKC 1995 legislation passed in wake of: Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 WTC 2001 legislation passed in wake of: USA PATRIOT Act of 2001 Kevin Ryan notes an additional parallel in A New Standard For Deception : In both cases a small group of engineers provided a report supporting the official story, and in both cases the small group was composed mostly of the same individuals. Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Myra Bronstein - 24-04-2009 Bruce Clemens Wrote:... I'm amazed that the Kuwaiti Incubator Hoax doesn't get more attention. Wag the Dog. Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Bruce Clemens - 06-05-2009 This sounds very hopeful up front...a media person who has doubts about the official account at the time of the bombing and is not afraid to attack it. She should get an Emmy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5v8v4P1-Qc But on further looking I see: [URL="http://www.jaynadavis.com/"] http://www.jaynadavis.com/[/URL] http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/12/02/mcveigh/index.html She's selling a book and I wonder if she's a gold digger or a patriot. I wonder if anyone on this forum has looked into her and if you can tell me whether she is worth contacting? Thanks! Oklahoma City as a Precursor to 911 - Charles Drago - 06-05-2009 See "Lee Harvey Oswald met with KGB 'wet operations' director Kostikov in Mexico City." See "Muhammed Atta met with Al Queda operatives in Prague." It's Triple-C time again: Confuse, Condition, Control. (As opposed to Limited Hang-Out time -- but enough about Dick Cheney at the schoolyard fence.) |