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Gordon Novel dies.... - Greg Burnham - 06-10-2012
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?10724-Gordon-Novel-dies....
Gordon Novel dies.... - Jim DiEugenio - 06-10-2012
THanks Greg, didn't see that.
Gordon Novel dies.... - Peter Lemkin - 06-10-2012
193 Pinewood Road
Hartsdale, NY 10530
August 3, 1978
Mr. Robert Blakey
Select Committee on Assassinations
US House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Bob:
Following our telephone conversation on Tuesday August 1, I checked with Bob Cutler, my co-author on the Umbrella Weapon System article in Gallery June 1978. Bob told me he left with Mr. Preyer and with you, photographic material showing that The Umbrella Man (TUM) was quite probably J. Gordon Novel.
Your news photo of him reinforces that belief for both of us. I did not have that portion of the Couch film from WFAA and so had never seem TUM's face as clearly as it appears there. The Bothun photo of him has a light reflection around his nose, as I'm sure you know.
We have a 1962-3 photo of Novel taken from the same angle as the Couch film of TUM and a photo comparison convinces us more than ever that Novel is TUM. Mr. Preyer no doubt told you back in April that Novel is in a jail in Georgia, framed for a crime he and Jim Garrison, his former lawyer, both claim he didn't commit.
Best regards,
Dick Sprague
Gordon Novel dies.... - Phil Dragoo - 06-10-2012
Per William Davy's ctka.net account:
Miller was certainly a very busy man during this time frame. While Miller was acting as a CIA courier for Shaw's lawyers and representing Walter Sheridan, he was also performing similar duties for Gordon Novel. While Novel was fighting extradition from Ohio, Miller came to his aid and was successful in getting an Ohio court to quash Garrison's subpoena. Miller also provided the CIA with the transcripts from Novel's civil suit against Garrison and Playboy. After Novel successfully avoided Garrison's extradition he sent a clipping to former CIA Director Allen Dulles. In his own handwritten marginalia to Dulles, Novel took great pride in Miller's victory, noting what a great job "Miller the Killer" did for him. It is interesting to note that the supposedly itinerant Novel now had four lawyers representing him: Miller, Stephen Plotkin, Jerry Weiner, and Elmer Gertz. Gertz, who had also represented Jack Ruby, was one of Novel's lawyers in his civil suit. When answering a list of interrogatories posed to him by Playboy's lawyers Novel stated that payment of legal fees to Weiner and Plotkin were "clandestinely remunerated by a party or parties unknown to me." It was later revealed to a Garrison investigator by a former member of the CIA that Plotkin was receiving his fees from the CIA via a cutout, Stephen Lemman. As for Miller, just a few short years after the Shaw trial ended, he represented President Richard Nixon as his post-resignation attorney.
http://www.ctka.net/nbc_cia.html
Gordon Novel dies.... - Greg Burnham - 06-10-2012
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Per William Davy's ctka.net account:
Miller was certainly a very busy man during this time frame. While Miller was acting as a CIA courier for Shaw's lawyers and representing Walter Sheridan, he was also performing similar duties for Gordon Novel. While Novel was fighting extradition from Ohio, Miller came to his aid and was successful in getting an Ohio court to quash Garrison's subpoena. Miller also provided the CIA with the transcripts from Novel's civil suit against Garrison and Playboy. After Novel successfully avoided Garrison's extradition he sent a clipping to former CIA Director Allen Dulles. In his own handwritten marginalia to Dulles, Novel took great pride in Miller's victory, noting what a great job "Miller the Killer" did for him. It is interesting to note that the supposedly itinerant Novel now had four lawyers representing him: Miller, Stephen Plotkin, Jerry Weiner, and Elmer Gertz. Gertz, who had also represented Jack Ruby, was one of Novel's lawyers in his civil suit. When answering a list of interrogatories posed to him by Playboy's lawyers Novel stated that payment of legal fees to Weiner and Plotkin were "clandestinely remunerated by a party or parties unknown to me." It was later revealed to a Garrison investigator by a former member of the CIA that Plotkin was receiving his fees from the CIA via a cutout, Stephen Lemman. As for Miller, just a few short years after the Shaw trial ended, he represented President Richard Nixon as his post-resignation attorney.
http://www.ctka.net/nbc_cia.html
Thanks for this, Phil. Great stuff. As usual, Davy's work is impeccable.
Gordon Novel dies.... - Jim DiEugenio - 06-10-2012
Gordon was not TUM.
Witt was TUM.
But Gordon was certainly a player in the CIA activities in New Orleans for the Bay of Pigs. And he was a real part of the campaign to crush Garrison.
Gordon Novel dies.... - Peter Lemkin - 06-10-2012
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Gordon was not TUM.
Witt was TUM.
But Gordon was certainly a player in the CIA activities in New Orleans for the Bay of Pigs. And he was a real part of the campaign to crush Garrison.
Witt the Twit was put up as a patsy TUM player to confuse and divert from the real TUM - another put up job to confuse the HSCA. Surprised you fell for it Jim. He doesn't even look like TUM....hadn't even been fully briefed for his show and tell, gave a hardly believable explanation of his 'being there' and none for his ballet with TDSM, and obviously IMHO and that of many other researchers and investigators wasn't even there in the Plaza. End of the Witt story; he deserves NO consideration for the role of TUM.
Gordon Novel dies.... - Greg Burnham - 06-10-2012
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Gordon was not TUM.
Witt was TUM.
But Gordon was certainly a player in the CIA activities in New Orleans for the Bay of Pigs. And he was a real part of the campaign to crush Garrison.
There you go again, hanging your hat on specious supposition when responsible analysis would have sufficed. I do not know who TUM was and neither do you.
I do not know if he was Novel or not. I can make no reliable determination based on the less than clear photographic evidence. As for Witt...I really doubt his
story. It simply makes no sense: He brought an umbrella with him to send Kennedy a message related to events more than 20 years old involving Chamberlain?
Pure, unadulterated bullshit.
I do agree that Novel was involved in the Bay of Pigs and certainly involved in attempting to derail Garrison's investigation.
Gordon Novel dies.... - Dawn Meredith - 06-10-2012
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Gordon was not TUM.
Witt was TUM.
But Gordon was certainly a player in the CIA activities in New Orleans for the Bay of Pigs. And he was a real part of the campaign to crush Garrison.
I just responded to this at the EF. I cannot believe that you believe that absurd story. Come on Jim, you of all peopl KNOW better. You did not just fall off the truck.
Dawn
Gordon Novel dies.... - Dawn Meredith - 06-10-2012
Greg Burnham Wrote:Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Gordon was not TUM.
Witt was TUM.
But Gordon was certainly a player in the CIA activities in New Orleans for the Bay of Pigs. And he was a real part of the campaign to crush Garrison.
There you go again, hanging your hat on specious supposition when responsible analysis would have sufficed. I do not know who TUM was and neither do you.
I do not know if he was Novel or not. I can make no reliable determination based on the less than clear photographic evidence. As for Witt...I really doubt his
story. It simply makes no sense: He brought an umbrella with him to send Kennedy a message related to events more than 20 years old involving Chamberlain?
Pure, unadulterated bullshit.
I do agree that Novel was involved in the Bay of Pigs and certainly involved in attempting to derail Garrison's investigation.
And just did not bother to mention it until HSCA?
Nonsense. I was literally speechless when I saw this at EF.
Dawn.