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A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Carsten Wiethoff - 13-08-2012 Regarding my own question whether Oswald LeWinter actually served in Vietnam, I found a reference in http://cryptome.org/fayed-v-usa.htm Quote: A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Peter Lemkin - 13-08-2012 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Regarding my own question whether Oswald LeWinter actually served in Vietnam, I found a reference in While the CIA and its cut-outs were all over Vietnam, my hunch is that LeWinter may well have been connected with the Ted Shackley 'bunch' in and around Vietnam....can't prove it...just a 'feelin''. Would be interesting to know what exactly he was doing and connected to/with in Vietnam. A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Carsten Wiethoff - 13-08-2012 An interesting (in other than obvious ways) literary magazine is Ygdrasil (http://www.synapse.net/kgerken/), especially the June 2003 issue (http://www.synapse.net/kgerken/Y-0306.HTM), featuring material about and poems of LeWinter. I noted that on the home page it says Quote:Klaus Gerken, EDITOR and Founder I quote from the introduction of the 2003 issue: Quote:Kenneth Rosen A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Jan Klimkowski - 13-08-2012 Peter Lemkin Wrote:While the CIA and its cut-outs were all over Vietnam, my hunch is that LeWinter may well have been connected with the Ted Shackley 'bunch' in and around Vietnam....can't prove it...just a 'feelin''. Would be interesting to know what exactly he was doing and connected to/with in Vietnam. Peter - I suspect that this is a very fruitful hunch..... A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Carsten Wiethoff - 14-08-2012 Peter Lemkin Wrote:While the CIA and its cut-outs were all over Vietnam, my hunch is that LeWinter may well have been connected with the Ted Shackley 'bunch' in and around Vietnam....can't prove it...just a 'feelin''. Would be interesting to know what exactly he was doing and connected to/with in Vietnam.In one of the more unlikely places (a sailboat forum) I found a 'biography' of LeWinter most likely translated from another language (Portuguese?) that says the following: Quote:He joined the U.S. Army in 1950 as second lieutenant in the Battalion of the Airborne Rangers. He fought in Korea, was wounded and taken prisoner by the Chinese and spent eleven months as a prisoner of war.(from http://www.sailnet.com/forums/off-topic/87327-murder-prime-minister-family-cia-2.html#post870883) As I said, it is amazing that wherever you look, you find LeWinter. I was unable to determine the origin of this text, but I think it may be from one of his books, published in Portuguese only. (http://www.wook.pt/ficha/democracia-e-secretismo/a/id/66040) Edit: Confirmed. http://bravamarildo.webnode.pt/os-segredos-da-democracia/ A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Magda Hassan - 14-08-2012 Just loving this thread Carsten even though I've nothing to contribute. He certainly is intruiging and you've found so many interesting obscure titbits on him. Carry on! A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Carsten Wiethoff - 14-08-2012 Magda Hassan Wrote:Just loving this thread Carsten even though I've nothing to contribute. He certainly is intruiging and you've found so many interesting obscure titbits on him. Carry on!Thanks Magda! Maybe with your skills you can try to find out if a unit called ITAC (Intelligence Threat Assessment Center) ever existed, since I am currently not able to confirm or deny it. What I can confirm is that an international Rainer-Maria-Rilke prize existed and that Karl Krolow (the man who allegedly wrote one of the texts about LeWinter in 1997 reprinted in Ygdrasil 2003), a German poet did get it in 1975. He died in 1999. http://www.suhrkamp.de/autoren/karl_krolow_2670.html (in German) There are other authors associated with that prize over the years, and I did not find one yet, that I was unable to verify. On the other hand I did not find good references to Oswald LeWinter getting that prize in 1997, which could not come from LeWinter himself. Not that this is terribly important, but it would help to decide whether this little tidbit is disinformation or cover or whatever. A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Carsten Wiethoff - 15-08-2012 Okay, regarding this Rainer-Maria-Rilke prize I have exactly five persons: Karl Krolow (1975), Hilde Domin (1976), Ernst Meister (1977), Christoph Meckel (1978) and Nicolas Born (1979). All German. Nothing before or after. The chance that there is another such prize and that the same Karl Krolow who got the German version in 1975 would hold the Laudatio for LeWinter in 1997 is zilch. That "He follows Yvan Goll, Giuseppe Ungaretti and the first recipient, Fernando Pessoa" is funny. Fernando Pessoa died in 1935, Yvan Goll in 1950 and Giuseppe Ungaretti in 1970. Oswald LeWinter never got this prize. Assurance level 99.9%. How big are the chances that he ever was in Vietnam? :thumbsdown: A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Magda Hassan - 15-08-2012 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:Okay, regarding this Rainer-Maria-Rilke prize I have exactly five persons: Karl Krolow (1975), Hilde Domin (1976), Ernst Meister (1977), Christoph Meckel (1978) and Nicolas Born (1979). All German. Nothing before or after. The chance that there is another such prize and that the same Karl Krolow who got the German version in 1975 would hold the Laudatio for LeWinter in 1997 is zilch.Good sleuthing there Carsten The man who never was. And is here, there and everywhere. And nowhere.
A poem about Vietnam by Oswald LeWinter - Carsten Wiethoff - 17-08-2012 Magda Hassan Wrote:Good sleuthing there Carsten Magda, the astonishing thing about Oswald LeWinter is that there are certain parts of his biography that absolutely can be verified. So he is absolutely not a fictional person. One of the things I was able to verify (besides him being born in Vienna and transferred to the US at the age of eight) is that he holds definitely the German title of Doctor of Psychology from the University of Tübingen since 1989. The title of his dissertation is (translated) "Love and Self-Love: an empirical study about the relation between Self-Love and the ability to love someone else." I guess most people would have dissed that as another self-invented factoid (like his Rilke prize), but his dissertation is actually in the German National Library and can be seen in Frankfurt and Leipzig: http://d-nb.info/891709711 And I still do not have the slightest idea about his true motivation to involve himself in so many bizzarre activities. |