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15 Years of Crime - Cliff Varnell - 18-09-2016
David Guyatt Wrote:Drew Phipps Wrote:Michael Flynn is an entirely unreliable biased witness with respect to Obama. He's a top Trump crony now, so I'd not take anything he says about any Democrat any more seriously than I'd take Trump's sudden interest in going to church in predominantly black communities.
I disagree that the Democrats have followed the Wolfowitz game plan during Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. If anything, it seems to me that they have been yanking back as hard on the reins as they can. I wish I was confident that Hillary would do the same.
Not really, Flynn made his case about ISIS being a salafist danger in the ME well before Trump began running. It is also worth highlighting the fact that a Pentagon document was leaked that confirmed what Flynn was saying.
In which case it is more the case that it is Obama who would be an entirely unreliable biased witness with respect to Flynn and not the other way around.
We'll agree to disagree about the democratic party. My position derives from an entirely non-partisan position. And I have little but contempt for Bill Clinton for many reasons. You might remember that during his administration the US shipped Usama bin Laden's al-Qaeda / Mujahideen units to Bosnia to fight against the Serbs in the war there. Indeed, according to the German magazine Der Spiegel, Usama actually travelled from Afghanistan to Bosnia to rally his troops. His time as governor of Arkansas and the drugs that flowed through that state during his term in office is legion.
I'm quite strongly am of the opinion that the democratic and republican parties have been for decades nothing other than a magic lamp show to keep Americans fast asleep so that the US elite can do what they do without complaint. And that if one wishes to really comprehend the real designs of the elite, then one should simply cast objective eyes at US foreign policy decisions which almost always reveal their true machinations. Domestic politics are the sideshow.
With all due respect, David, it's awfully easy for your to say "domestic politics are the sideshow" when you don't live here!
Trump is running as an unabashed white supremacist, a fascist strongman who can't wait to set off a nuke.
Trump has vocally supported every hawkish American foreign policy decision including Libya and the Iraq wars.
Think that's gonna change because his lies say otherwise?
15 Years of Crime - Drew Phipps - 19-09-2016
Sideshow? I wish. Then we could turn it off.
15 Years of Crime - David Guyatt - 19-09-2016
Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Drew Phipps Wrote:Michael Flynn is an entirely unreliable biased witness with respect to Obama. He's a top Trump crony now, so I'd not take anything he says about any Democrat any more seriously than I'd take Trump's sudden interest in going to church in predominantly black communities.
I disagree that the Democrats have followed the Wolfowitz game plan during Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. If anything, it seems to me that they have been yanking back as hard on the reins as they can. I wish I was confident that Hillary would do the same.
Not really, Flynn made his case about ISIS being a salafist danger in the ME well before Trump began running. It is also worth highlighting the fact that a Pentagon document was leaked that confirmed what Flynn was saying.
In which case it is more the case that it is Obama who would be an entirely unreliable biased witness with respect to Flynn and not the other way around.
We'll agree to disagree about the democratic party. My position derives from an entirely non-partisan position. And I have little but contempt for Bill Clinton for many reasons. You might remember that during his administration the US shipped Usama bin Laden's al-Qaeda / Mujahideen units to Bosnia to fight against the Serbs in the war there. Indeed, according to the German magazine Der Spiegel, Usama actually travelled from Afghanistan to Bosnia to rally his troops. His time as governor of Arkansas and the drugs that flowed through that state during his term in office is legion.
I'm quite strongly am of the opinion that the democratic and republican parties have been for decades nothing other than a magic lamp show to keep Americans fast asleep so that the US elite can do what they do without complaint. And that if one wishes to really comprehend the real designs of the elite, then one should simply cast objective eyes at US foreign policy decisions which almost always reveal their true machinations. Domestic politics are the sideshow.
With all due respect, David, it's awfully easy for your to say "domestic politics are the sideshow" when you don't live here!
Trump is running as an unabashed white supremacist, a fascist strongman who can't wait to set off a nuke.
Trump has vocally supported every hawkish American foreign policy decision including Libya and the Iraq wars.
Think that's gonna change because his lies say otherwise?
With all due respect, Cliff, domestic politics are always the sideshow. In any nation of consequence. The power and machination of the shadow puppet masters always can be observed in choices made about foreign affairs. My understanding is that this has almost always been the case; it's not a new phenomenon.
Personally, I really don't like Trump and I really don't like Clinton either - and would consider it ridiculous to vote for either. And for me, anyone seriously considering voting for either is simply indulging in a factitious nostalgia about a time when voters had a choice. They never really have. Or very rarely anyway.
But don't worry, I say these things about the UK too. And the EU. However, the two latter are simply US clients states and therefore it makes sense to direct my frustrations to the US for a variety of reasons. Not the least being that I and millions of others do not have any sort of political mechanism to effect changes in the US, but have to simply suffer from the decisions the US makes that always impacts upon us, here in Europe.
This is why I can't wait for the time that the US looses it super-power status and has to share power with other nations. Ditto the loss of singular reserve currency status. For me a multipolar world is not only necessary but essential --- because the US, since the end of the cold war has repeatedly demonstrated that it it is less than unfit to govern the world.
Bless me for my naïveté but I can no longer see why the world should not now be grown up enough to work together and trade together in relative peace.
It's the Collective Shadow that is to blame. Hence we are all to blame for remaining blind to our own darkness and intolerances.
15 Years of Crime - David Guyatt - 19-09-2016
Drew Phipps Wrote:Sideshow? I wish. Then we could turn it off.
You can switch it off. It's our personal choice to watch, listen and read what you do. We do these things because we rather arrogantly think we have a slither of power to alter things in elections. Even though we all know that we don't.
You and I are given two choices, either this or that; when both are loaded from the start.
Once everyone gets around to understanding todays politics is a fixed roulette wheel and shifts the discussion away, things will begin to slowly improve. Maybe.