Cliff Varnell Wrote:What is the operative definition of "lurid and dystopian"?

A woman aborting her fetus with a coat hanger.

Quote:There is something I am going to try and explain here after watching the Democratic National Convention this evening that will invite the scorn of many of my friends. But the words are gagging my throat and my stomach is twisted and sick and I have to vomit this out. The anti-americanism in me is about to explode and land god knows where as my rage is well beyond reason. And I, by heritage, half American in a way that makes me "more" American than almost anyone else in this country except for the true Americans, the American Indians, am in utter denial tonight that I am, as you are, American as well.

I am half Canadian, I was brought up there, with very different values than you Americans hold, and tonight after the endless spit ups and boasts and rants about the greatness of American militarism, and praise for American military strength, and boasts about wiping out ISIS, and America being the strongest country on earth, and an utterly inane story from a woman whose son died in Obama's war, about how she got to cry in gratitude on Obama's shoulder tonight I feel deeply Canadian. Every subtle lesson I was ever subliminally given about the bullies across the border and their rudeness and their lack of education and their self-given right to bomb whoever they wanted in the world for no reason other than that they wanted something the people in the other country had, and their greed, came oozing to the surface of my psyche.

I just got back from a rather fierce walk beside the Yellowstone River here in Montana, trying to let the mountains in the distance reconnect me to some place of goodness in my soul, but I couldn't find it. The scenery was as exquisite as ever, but it just couldn't touch the rage in my heart. The visions of all the dead children in Syria that Hillary Clinton helped to kill; the children bombed to bits in Afghanistan and Pakistan from Obama's drones, the grisly chaos of Libya, the utter wasteland of Iraq, the death and destruction everywhere caused by American military intervention. The Ukraine, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, you name it your country has bombed it or destroyed its civilian life in some basic way.

When I heard all the Americans cheering for the military and the pronouncements of might coming from the speakers in the Wells Fargo Centre, I loathed you. I loathed every single one of you. I knew in my gut that what I was taught as a child was true, which is that YOU are the enemy. YOU are the country to be feared. YOU are the country to be disgusted by. YOU are ignorant. And your greed and self-satisfaction and unearned pride knows no bounds.

I am not an American tonight. I reject my Puritan ancestors who landed in this country in 1648. I reject the words I voiced at my citizenship ceremony. I reject every moment of thrilling discovery I ever had in this country.

You people have no idea what it is like for people from other countries to hear you boast and cheer for your guns and your bombs and your soldiers and your murderous military leaders and your war criminals and your murdering and conscienceless Commander in Chief. All those soaring words are received by the rest of us, by us non-Americans, by all the cells in our body, as absolutely repugnant and obscene.

And there you all are tonight, glued to your TVs and your computers, your hearts swelled with pride because you belong to the strongest country on Earth, cheering on your Murderer President. Ignorant of the entire world's repulsion. You kill and you kill and you kill, and still you remain proud.

We are fools.

Paul Rigby Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:What is the operative definition of "lurid and dystopian"?

A woman aborting her fetus with a coat hanger.

And your answer to this threat?

To invite us to elect a woman prepared to compromise on the issue of abortion, a woman who has, and will again for sure, presided over the blasting of foetuses from the stomachs of foreign women by high explosive and bullet.

Magda Hassan Wrote:Hilary has said she is prepared to compromise on abortion. No sure thing there.

Paul Rigby Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:

Paul Rigby Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:Speaking of dysfunctional democracies...Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that a pack of lyin' right wingers bum rushed the United Kingdom into leaving the EU?

Just say'n...

Obomber came, he threatened, we told him to f*ck off.

Magnificent. Not since the Iraq war protests have I felt so proud of my country.

Me neither.

And fuck off he did.

For the record, Cliff, vast amounts of people voted to leave - from all political persuasions - a great many as a protest to the fact that all the main political parties are, and remain, pro EU and have thoroughly disenfranchised large portions of the country by their arrogance and elitism. And because the EU was an American project, the vote was also a big fuck off to US meddling too.

The right-wing in the Conservative Party can't actually take the credit for it. They were as surprised as everyone else who hadn't taken the temperature of the country's anger properly.

I experienced an enormous patriotic swelling upon hearing the result, a defence which the judge acknowledged as novel, if ultimately unpersuasive.

Cliff Varnell Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:Foreign influence is the bane of humanity.

Ever since the Brits and the Yanks colluded to push opium in the early 19th Century the worst perps of "foreign influence" are "Anglo-American".

Paul Rigby Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:What is the operative definition of "lurid and dystopian"?

A woman aborting her fetus with a coat hanger.

And your answer to this threat?

To invite us to elect a woman prepared to compromise on the issue of abortion, a woman who has, and will again for sure, presided over the blasting of foetuses from the stomachs of foreign women by high explosive and bullet.

My Fellow Americans: We Are Fools

JULY 29, 2016

by MARGOT KIDDER

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/29/my-fellow-americans-we-are-fools/

Quote:You people have no idea what it is like for people from other countries to hear you boast and cheer for your guns and your bombs and your soldiers and your murderous military leaders and your war criminals and your murdering and conscienceless Commander in Chief. All those soaring words are received by the rest of us, by us non-Americans, by all the cells in our body, as absolutely repugnant and obscene.

And there you all are tonight, glued to your TVs and your computers, your hearts swelled with pride because you belong to the strongest country on Earth, cheering on your Murderer President. Ignorant of the entire world's repulsion. You kill and you kill and you kill, and still you remain proud.

We are fools.

David Guyatt Wrote:

Paul Rigby Wrote:I experienced an enormous patriotic swelling upon hearing the result, a defence which the judge acknowledged as novel, if ultimately unpersuasive.

David Guyatt Wrote:Hahaha. You can get pills to help these day.

Paul Rigby Wrote:My dignity protected only by yet another Liverpool Echo double-spread portrait of Jurgen Klopp - the latest grovelling nonsense by title "Statesman, Thinker, and Visionary - Can he also raise the dead?" - my attempt to hurdle the ticker barrier at Liverpool Central ended in uncoordinated disaster, and detention by a humourless female constable. If only she hadn't pulled out the handcuffs....