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The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 27-01-2011 Additiona extract: Quote: 3.33pm: Boyce says that he does not think the Americans would have been able to invade on 19 March 2003 without the British. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 05-02-2011 David Guyatt Wrote:Additiona extract: See the Question Time footage linked below for further insight into this very important aspect of the Iraq war. The US couldn't have invaded Iraq without British military involvement. https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6317-George-Galloway-accuses-Alastair-Campbell-of-murdering-Dr.-David-Kelly-on-the-BBC-(still-unsued)&p=34548&posted=1#post34548 The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Carsten Wiethoff - 19-04-2011 From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html Quote:Plans to exploit Iraq's oil reserves were discussed by government ministers and the world's largest oil companies the year before Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show.Yeah, absurd is the right word. mileymad:
The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Peter Lemkin - 19-04-2011 Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html Any child could figure out that because they have oil - and don't grow cotton or broccoli in Iraq it is on 'target' for being taken over by ANY means necessary - with any lies and deceits being done/said to accomplish this fact. Further, since the oil/Carbon-lobby is about the strongest in holding the puppet strings of politicians and in control of the Secret Government, This would rank near or at the 'top' of resources the ultra-rich will steal [not buy or rent or lease or share]. :mexican: The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Jan Klimkowski - 19-04-2011 Quotes are from the Independent article linked by Carsten. This bears further deconstruction. Quote:The documents were not offered as evidence in the ongoing Chilcot Inquiry into the UK's involvement in the Iraq war. Indeed. Will Chilcot now demand that they are entered as evidence? I'm not holding my breath. Quote:In March 2003, just before Britain went to war, Shell denounced reports that it had held talks with Downing Street about Iraqi oil as "highly inaccurate". BP denied that it had any "strategic interest" in Iraq, while Tony Blair described "the oil conspiracy theory" as "the most absurd". I wrote about this extensively at the time. The nub of it is that by declaring war for oil as a "conspiracy theory", PM Blair shut down meaningful debate about one of the primary motivations for the Iraq invasion. From then on, every time an MSM journalist raised oil as a rationale for the invasion , the hack would preface his words, or - to use the journalistic phrase, weasel them - by saying the conspiracy theorists claim this is a war for oil, Mr Minister....., and thus undermine the point and make the politician's inevitable rebuttal easy. Hack and politician would then chuckle at the ludicrousness of such an idea. Phrases such as "conspiracy theory" or "truther" are psyop creations, emanating from intelligence shrinks and propagandists. The fundamental purpose of such phrases is to narrow the boundaries of "reasonable" debate and to ridicule anyone whose opinion is outsde the spooks' carefully constructed safe, and fictional, Zone. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Jan Klimkowski - 12-05-2011 Devastating evidence from Major General Michael Laurie confirming what anyone who followed this, from duplicitious beginning to tragic end, already knows. But at least one man in uniform had the cojones to stand up and tell it how it is. Quote:Iraq dossier drawn up to make case for war intelligence officer The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Peter Lemkin - 12-05-2011 Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Devastating evidence from Major General Michael Laurie confirming what anyone who followed this, from duplicitious beginning to tragic end, already knows. Really says it all......sad how the world is 'run' by criminals and liars - only interested in money; and caring nothing of the democracy and rule of law that they mouth to calm the Sheeple. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Jan Klimkowski - 31-07-2011 Hmmmm - is the British establishment about to unroll a limited hangout, blaming it all on Tony "I'm a pretty straight sort of guy" Blair? Quote:Chilcot to 'heavily criticise' Tony Blair over Iraq war The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 17-07-2012 Chilcot report into Iraq delayed by Whitehall refusal to release evidence Sir John Chilcot reveals frustration at inability to see key papers, including records of talks between Tony Blair and George Bush
Fierce opposition in Whitehall to the disclosure of key documents relating to the invasion of Iraq, notably records of discussions between Tony Blairand George Bush, has meant the Chilcot inquiry will not now be able to publish its report for well over a year. Sir John Chilcot has made it clear in a letter to David Cameron that he and his fellow panel members are deeply frustrated by Whitehall's refusal to release papers, including those that reveal which ministers, legal advisers and officials were excluded from discussions on military action. The papers still kept secret include those relating to MI6 and the government's electronic eavesdropping centre, GCHQ. The inquiry panel has seen the classified documents in dispute but is being prevented from publishing them. In a letter to the prime minister released on Monday, Chilcot says there are unresolved disputes over "a number of particularly important categories of evidence" relating to "the discussions between the prime minister and heads of state or government of other nations" and "the treatment of discussions in the cabinet and cabinet committees". Chilcot says Martin Gilbert, a historian and member of the inquiry panel, has been seriously ill since April, and has not been able to contribute to its work. Chilcot refers to sharp exchanges he has had with the former cabinet secretary Lord O'Donnell over the refusal to disclose details of correspondence and conversations between Blair and Bush in the period leading up to the invasion. Their disclosure would serve to "illuminate Mr Blair's position at critical points" in the runup to war, Chilcot told O'Donnell last year. He referred to passages in memoirs, including Blair's autobiography, A Journey; disclosures by Jonathan Powell, Blair's chief of staff; and the diaries of Alastair Campbell, his former head of communications. Those publications, and the refusal to disclose Blair's notes, Chilcot told O'Donnell last year, "leads to the position that individuals may disclose privileged information (without sanction) whilst a committee of privy counsellors established by a former prime minister to review the issues, cannot". Campbell revealed his version of Blair's discussions with Bush in the latest volume of his diaries published last month. O'Donnell told Chilcot that releasing Blair's notes would damage Britain's relations with the US and would not be in the public interest. "We have attached particular importance to protecting the privacy of the channel between the prime minister and president," he said. Chilcot has emphasised that the protocols were "put in place to protect national security, international relations and the personal security of individuals. They are not there to prevent embarrassment." O'Donnell, who consulted Blair about the documents, retired at the end of last year when he became a peer. He was succeeded by Sir Jeremy Heywood, who clearly shares O'Donnell's approach to the release of the documents. Chilcot says in his letter that it is essential for the inquiry to establish "as accurately and reliably" as possible what happened and that some of the significant lessons to learn apply not only to Iraq. "Most have more general application to the conduct of government." The final report, he adds, is likely to be more than 1m words. But the Chilcot panel will not be in a position to even complete the draft for a year. It will be in a position to "begin the 'Maxwellisation' process by the middle of next year", Chilcot told Cameron. Under this process, those whom the inquiry intends to criticise are given a copy of passages of the draft report to enable them to respond. The process derives from Companies Act investigations. The inquiry initially suggested it would be completed in May 2011. It then said it could finish by autumn last year. It subsequently said it would not be published until this summer "at the earliest". The inquiry held 18 months of public hearings between the end of 2009 and early 2011. A succession of witnesses, ranging from former cabinet secretaries to military commanders, sharply criticised the way Blair and his close advisers took key decisions without consulting senior ministers and the then attorney general, Lord Goldsmith. Chilcot has said Blair's claim that MI6 established "beyond doubt" that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction was "not possible to make on the basis of intelligence". Sir Michael Wood, the former senior legal adviser at the Foreign Office, said he considered resigning in protest against the war. Goldsmith said Blair's suggestion in January 2003 that Britain could attack Iraq without further UN backing had not been compatible with his legal advice. Despite his refusal to release the Blair-Bush paper, O'Donnell said in evidence to the inquiry that the cabinet should have been told of Goldsmith's doubts about the legality of invading Iraq before Blair went to war. "The ministerial code is very clear about the need, when the attorney general gives written advice, the full text of that advice should be attached [to cabinet papers]," O'Donnell said. He said Blair did not believe cabinet was "a safe space" in which to debate going to war. That was one of the reasons why the then prime minister preferred informal meetings with no record taken. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 17-07-2012 Iraq Inquiry ~ Chilcot ~ Report delayed perhaps 2 yearsPosted by ObiterJ | 17 July, 2012
The Iraq Inquiry - under the chairmanship of Sir John Chilcot - was expected to report during 2012 but publication of a report is to be delayed and may not appear until 2014. What has brought about this state of affairs? The delay seems to arise for three reasons - (a) the amount of material to be analysed; (b) the process known as "Maxwellisation" and © problems in getting government to agree to certain material being published either in the eventual report or alongside that report. Statement on the Inquiry website: The Inquiry website states that the Inquiry has concluded its public hearings and is currently analysing the written and oral evidence it has received and drafting its report. Pulling together and analysing the evidence and identifying the lessons, for a report that covers so wide and complex a range of issues and a time period of some nine years, is a significant task. Very considerable progress has already been made, but there is still much to be done. As well as drafting the report, [B]the Inquiry is negotiating with the Government the declassification of a significant volume of currently classified material, in order that it may be quoted in, or published alongside, the Inquiry's report. Work on this substantial task, which involves the detailed scrutiny of many thousands of documents, is already under way. Significant progress has been made, but there will continue to be a series of further requests as drafting progresses. The Inquiry has previously indicated that it intends to undertake a process of Maxwellisation whereby individuals who may be criticised in the report will be informed of the proposed criticism (and provided with relevant parts of the draft report in which the criticism is made) in order that they may make representations to the Inquiry Committee before the report is finalised. The Inquiry has advised the Prime Minister that it will be in a position to begin the process of writing to any individuals that may be criticised by the middle of 2013. The Inquiry's report will be submitted to the Prime Minister as soon as possible after that process is complete. The Inquiry understands that it will then be published in Parliament. A copy will also be available on [the Inquiry] website. Sir John Chilcot, the Inquiry Chairman, wrote to the Prime Minister on Friday 13 July 2012 to provide an update on the Inquiry's progress and an outline of the scope of the Inquiry's report. The Inquiry published this letter on Monday 16 July. Sir John's earlier letter to Sir Gus O'Donnell, the then Cabinet Secretary, sent on 21 October 2011 and Sir Gus's reply on 2 December were published on 14 December 2011. [B]Maxwellisation: this process is described well in this link. [B]Publication of material: Just what is this material which the inquiry says it requires and which the government is reluctant to allow to be published? The letter of 13 July 2012 from Sir John Chilcot to Prime Minister David Cameron offers an indication. "There are, however, a number of particularly important categories of evidence, including the treatment of discussions in Cabinet and Cabinet committees and the UK position in discussions between the Prime Minister and the heads of State or Government of other nations, to be addressed....." The Guardian 16th July 2012 reports: "Fierce opposition in Whitehall to the disclosure of key documents relating to the invasion ofIraq, notably records of discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush, has meant the Chilcot inquiry will not now be able to publish its report for well over a year. Sir John Chilcot has made it clear in a letter to David Cameron that he and his fellow panel members are deeply frustrated by Whitehall's refusal to release papers, including those that reveal which ministers, legal advisers and officials were excluded from discussions on military action. The papers still kept secret include those relating to MI6 and the government's electronic eavesdropping centre, GCHQ. The inquiry panel has seen the classified documents in dispute but is being prevented from publishing them." [B]Comment: Little of this is actually surprising even though it does nothing to allay public concerns such as those expressed by World Socialist Web Site on 16th March 2010. It seems highly unlikely that government will ever sanction [B]publication of some of this material. Furthermore, there will be some Blair-Bush discussions for which no record was ever maintained. The end result will be that the report will contain certain crucial gaps. This will be a very unsatisfactory state of affairs. [B]Freedom of Information: A Freedom of Information Act request for disclosure of the record a telephone conversation between Prime Minister Blair and President G W Bush on 12th March 2003 was the subject of a ruling in May 2012 by the First-Tier Tribunal General Regulatory Chamber which "largely upheld" a decision of the Information Commissioner of 13th September 2011 - read the decision- to the effect that certain parts of the record were to be disclosed to the applicant - a Mr Plowden. See Telegraph 21st May 2012 - "Blair-Bush Iraq conversation must be released" http://watchingthelaw.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/iraq-inquiry-chilcot-report-delayed.html[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B] |