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12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - David Guyatt - 10-01-2015 R.K. Locke Wrote:[quote=David Guyatt] I, too, have wondered about this. It's gruesome, I know, but I've been searching for forensic insights and photos of head shots with the 7.62 AK 47 rifle. There just isn't any real info out there - and no pictures I can find that would say anything meaningful, so my efforts remain entirely inconclusive. But I would expect there to have been blood splatter from the entry wound, if not the exit wound. And at that close range I think an exit wound would've been seen, but I could easily be wrong on both counts. 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - David Guyatt - 10-01-2015 All three terrorists were apparently part of the Buttes-Chaumont network/cell. Some have said that this was a CIA network. Does anyone know anything about this and how likely these assertions really are? 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Dawn Meredith - 10-01-2015 OK so if it trumpeted that the poor deranged man known as "The Underwear bomber" is "connected" to these guys that seals the deal for me. I have been keeping an open mind thus far. Given what the US has done over there it is to be expected that there will be many radicalized Muslims who want to kill anyone with whom they feel is connected with the US, however tenuous the connection. But yes where is the blood? And the 12/25/09 "event" was so obvious a false flag that one would have to be brain dead to fail to see that. I await further confirmation of this smoking gun "connection". Color me disgusted. Dawn 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Peter Lemkin - 10-01-2015 Somethings are quite strange about this entire matter....a quick look on the internet shows widely conflicting stories of their pasts. The French had mentioned nothing about identification of who they shot the other day, number of entrance wounds or other related matters. Here is just one summary of who they were....which I'd consider representative of the median reports - but others paint very different portraits. Profiles: key suspects in Paris attacks Background of the people suspected of being part of a terror cell involved in the Charlie Hebdo siege ![]() French police mobilise after reports of the hostage situation at Port de Vincennes in Paris. Photograph: Dan Kitwood/Getty ImagesAngelique Chrisafis in Paris Friday 9 January 2015 18.12 GMT [B]Chérif Kouachi, 32[/B] Chérif Kouachi.Photograph: Getty ImagesThe younger of the two brothers suspected of carrying out the Charlie Hebdo attack who are thought to have been killed at the denouement of the hostage-taking in Dammartin-en-Goële. A French national, he was born on 29 November 1982 in the 10th arrondissement of Paris, one of five children of Algerian-born immigrants. Following the death of his parents, he grew up in care homes in Rennes in Brittany from the age of 12, where he trained for a sports education qualification.After moving back to Paris he lived in the 19th arrondissement in the north of the city, working as a pizza delivery driver. Video footage from 2004 shows him in a backwards baseball cap rapping and dancing. In 2005, he had appeared in a French TV documentary on Islamist extremism, described as a "fan of rap music more inclined to hang out with pretty young girls than to attend the mosque". He described becoming radicalised, saying: "It's written in the texts that it's good to die as a martyr." By 2005, he had become involved in a cell funnelling young men from working-class areas of the 19th arrondissement of Paris and sending jihadists to fight in Iraq. It was known as the Buttes Chaumont cell after the picturesque park in northern Paris where Kouachi was said to be among those who jogged to keep fit as part of their preparations. He was stopped in 2005 on his way to take a flight to the Middle East as part of that cell. After his police interview, he said he was relieved to have been stopped as he hadn't wanted to leave but was afraid to have been seen to renege on his commitment or to be seen as a coward. One lawyer involved in the case told French media that at the time he seemed to have found a kind of family, a cause in life. In 2008, he was convicted on terrorism charges for his links to the cell and sentenced to 18 months in prison. While in prison, he was said to have met a mentor, Djamel Beghal, convicted for a plot to attack the US embassy in Paris. After he was released from prison he kept a low profile, married, and from 2009 worked in a supermarket's fish section in a suburb of Paris. In 2010, he was arrested as part of an alleged plot to free an Algerian Islamist, Smaïn Aït Ali Belkacem, who was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2002 for a bombing at the Musee d'Orsay train station in Paris in October 1995 that left around 30 injured. Le Monde reported that transcripts it had obtained showed how Kouachi maintained total silence during police questioning in a manner that seemed to suggest training in how to deal with police interrogation. Kouachi was ultimately released with no charges brought against him. [B]Saïd Kouachi, 34[/B] Saïd Kouachi.Photograph: French Police/EPAThe elder of the two Kouachi brothers reported to have been killed on Friday was unemployed and had been living in a tower block in Reims in the Champagne region of north-east France. In the years up to 2005, he lived with his brother in the 19th arrondissement of Paris where they had attended the same mosque and moved in circles linked to the Buttes Chaumont cell. Unlike his brother, he was not convicted on terrorism charges linked to that cell.A Yemeni security official told Associated Press that Saïd was in Yemen for a period of several months until 2012 and was suspected of having fought for al-Qaida there. One official said Saïd was probably among a group of foreigners deported from Yemen in 2012. Both brothers were on US and UK no-fly lists. Worshippers at the mosque in Reims attended by Kouachi described him to Libération as a "solitary" man who "kept to himself" and was often late for prayers. Neighbours in his block of flats described him as having a wife and family, saying the only noise they heard from his flat was the sound of two young children. [B]Amédy Coulibaly, 32[/B] , from Juvisy-sur-Orge, in Essonne, outside Paris Terror suspect Amedy Coulibaly. Photograph: AFP/Getty ImagesThe gunman who held hostages in a kosher grocery shop on the eastern edge of Paris was killed in a shootout late on Friday afternoon. Coulibaly was also suspected of having killed a French police officer in a shootout in the south of Paris on Thursday morning, less than 24 hours after the Charlie Hebdo attack.Coulibaly was the only boy in a family of 10, according to Libération, which reported that people who knew him had described a happy childhood and average school record. He was said to have changed at around the age of 17 because of people he associated with. While still a teenager, he became involved in crime and reportedly accrued several convictions for armed robbery from 2001 when he was still a minor. The news weekly L'Obs reported that he had met Chérif Kouachi, one of the brothers suspected of the magazine attack, between 2005 and 2006 when they were both in Fleury-Mérogis prison, south of Paris, known for its overcrowding. French media reported that Coulibaly had converted to Islam and become radicalised in prison. Advertisement
At one point, he worked for Coca Cola just outside Paris. While there, he was apparently interviewed by French newspaper Le Parisien ahead of a planned encounter with the then French president, Nicolas Sarkozy. An article dated 15 July 2009, a picture of which was tweeted by a member of the newspaper's staff on Friday, says Coulibaly was due to meet Sarkozy as part of an effort by the Elysée to support companies committed to employing young people. "I'm really pleased. I don't know what I'll say to him. I guess I'll start with hello. Hopefully the president can help me get a job," Coulibaly was quoted as saying. The Guardian was unable to verify independently whether the man named in the article was the same man involved in the hostage-taking. The Parisien article made no reference to Coulibaly's radical links or his criminal record he had just left prison not long before. The French media raised the question on Friday as to whether the Elysée security services were aware of that criminal record before the supposed meeting. He was arrested by counter-terrorism police in 2010 on suspicion of having taken part in athe plot to aid the prison escape of Smaïn Aït Ali Belkacem. During searches of his home, police found Kalashnikov ammunition. He received a prison sentence and is reported to have been released from prison just over a year ago. Libération cited an expert psychiatric report as part of a court judgment which found "no pathology" but an "immature and psychopathic personality". An expert psychologist had pointed to "his poor powers of introspection" and the "rudimentary" nature of the motivation of his actions, as well as a sense of morality which was "lacking" and a wish to be "all powerful". Le Monde reported that Coulibaly and Kouachi had shared a mentor in the radical figure Djamel Beghal. Police are now searching for Coulibaly's live-in partner, Hayat Boumedienne. [B]Hayat Boumedienne, 26[/B] Terror suspect Hayat Boumeddiene.Photograph: Getty ImagesPolice released a photo of Boumedienne after the kosher grocery holdup at Porte de Vincennes. Le Monde reported that she had been in a relationship with Coulibaly since 2010 and had met him outside prison last spring when he was released after a four-year sentence. Coulibaly had been living with Boumedienne at her home since he left prison.Boumedienne was interviewed by counter-terrorism police in 2010. Le Monde reported she had told police that during a visit to Beghal in Murat, in the Cantal countryside in central France, they had practised firing crossbows. On Friday night her whereabouts remained unknown. 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Magda Hassan - 11-01-2015 Peter Lemkin Wrote:Le Pen has not been invited....which is causing some controversy.I saw her in an interview here and she said she wasn't going. Her words were "I know when I am not wanted". Ahem. Peter Lemkin Wrote:Just did some internet searching...and it is now believed the woman Hayat Bourmeddiene is in Syria now...having left France some days ago [just after the shooting of the policewoman]. Very strange find....on the internet are photos of her in a hijab [sometimes firing weapons]...I saw that one too but with that sort of clothing who would know who is under that ? Could be anyone. Again we are taking someone's word for it. Peter Lemkin Wrote:but there is also this photo below...not one I'd expect for a radical Muslim man or his mate!!! Something is very 'fishy' here....rotten in France, as Shakespeare would say. If she is in Syria, with radical Muslims, I hope they don't find this photo as easily as I did...for her sake.Shades of Atta and company drinking and smoking and drugging at night clubs in Florida before 911. Does any one know if she is ethnic French or Algerian or what? Is she Muslim? I wonder if she is involved in this because it is her boyfriend and she is in lerv with a douche bag or because she has ideological committments to these actions? 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Magda Hassan - 11-01-2015 Peter Lemkin Wrote: When I see this I keep thinking how useful orphans are to the black scientists. Peter Lemkin Wrote: Live fast die young and leave a good looking corpse. Typical narcissistic youth. Western and Middle East society really need to have a long conversation about male violence. 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Magda Hassan - 11-01-2015 Why would some one who wished to die a martyr wear a bullet proof vest? 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Lauren Johnson - 11-01-2015 Pepe Escobar Quote:Putin did it. Sorry, he didn't. In the end, it was not Russia "aggression" that attacked the heart of Europe. It was a pro-style jihadi commando. Cui bono? 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Magda Hassan - 11-01-2015 Lauren Johnson Wrote:Pepe EscobarYes indeed. 12 Dead in Daytime Paris Attack at Satirical Magazine - Peter Lemkin - 11-01-2015 Magda Hassan Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Le Pen has not been invited....which is causing some controversy.I saw her in an interview here and she said she wasn't going. Her words were "I know when I am not wanted". Ahem. I believe she is also of Algerian background. An orphan, as you pointed out. No, I believe that photo of her in the jihab shooting a high-tech crossbow is her. Both he and she were interrogated by the police some years ago and these photos came up. Both recalled that training episode. Quite a change from the hijab to the bikini...or the other way around. They now report that she left for Turkey a few days before the attack, and that from Turkey she went to Syria. Something in this 'picture' doesn't fit...... Boumeddiene, who used to work as a cashier, was never seen without a veil covering her face after her religious wedding day. ![]() Boumeddiene is believed to have evaded capture. ![]() Hayat Boumeddiene, with partner Amedi Coulibaly, wearing a bikini. The couple's marriage is not legally accepted in France as it did not include a civil ceremony. Boumeddiene, who is from an Algerian background, was interviewed by police in 2010 and told them she had devoted herself to Coulibaly who "inspired" her. She "read a lot of books on religion and because of this I came to ask questions on religion". She allegedly complained to police of American intervention in the Middle East. Coulibaly and Boum*eddiene lived together in Bagneux, in the south of Paris, where neighbours knew them as a quiet religious couple who had recently gone on a holiday to Malaysia. Police officers who have interviewed her have described her as somebody who is "cool and composed" and always stayed calm when questioned. |