Charles Drago Wrote:I understand and deeply appreciate your own understanding of this case, Vasilios.

Like Seamus, I hesitate to attempt to name the true sponsors of the assassination other than to engage in a process of elimination -- an ultimately flawed process that cannot hope to deliver us to our common destination.

Dawn Meredith Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:As a very young kid in 1963 I remember my barber, Al, ranting and raving that Johnson "did it."

It was the obvious Texas connection, in tandem with the elevation of LBJ to the presidency, that persuaded Al and millions more that Johnson was the "mastermind."

This conclusion born of ignorance continues to be exploited by the Sponsors and their Facilitators-of-the-moment.

LBJ would have been one hell of a "mastermind" if he chose his own state for the killing ground.

It happened in Texas -- and never would have happened in Chicago, by the way -- because a Dallas hit provided absolute assurance that LBJ would do as he was told.

The weekend it happened I was sure LBJ did it too. At fourteen I did not know about CIA and invisible governments. That would be a few more years, '73 my study began in ernest.
Dawn

Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:I understand and deeply appreciate your own understanding of this case, Vasilios.

Like Seamus, I hesitate to attempt to name the true sponsors of the assassination other than to engage in a process of elimination -- an ultimately flawed process that cannot hope to deliver us to our common destination.

Thank you Charles i appreciate that.
Evica's essay Perfect cover had a profound impact on my thinking.
Below i present an excerpt from this essay:
Who Killed JFK?

The initiating order was the U.S. Establishment, the Ruling Class, the Power Elite, the National Security State: the anti-JFK personae in Big Oil, banking, defense and their Intelligence and Military assets. Driven by both real and opportunistic anti-Communism, the Establishment aimed at reducing union strength, reducing production costs, and increasing the power of its "military-industrial complex" with its outposts in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and Western Europe.
Specifically, the initiating order was inside the complex of corporate and financial institutions of the Rockefeller-Morgan-Mellon alliance: the advisors, associates, and partners of David Rockefeller. But rather than acting as the Big Boss of the assassination, David Rockefeller energized the actual initiators by continually attacking JFK's philosophy and politics through public statements published in a compliant media from 1961 on. David Rockefeller was the perfect upper-echelon patsy, the up-front standard-bearer, urged on in his attacks on JFK by the assassination decision-makers.
What the Rockefeller-Mellon-Morgan power elite perceived in JFK's administration was a managed economy with wealth distribution driven by a strong president. The initiators, having decided that JFK had to be eliminated, sent their contract through D.C. power brokers (for example, Irving Davidson and Robert Maheu) to the facilitating order.

What i don't understand is why he calls David Rockefeller the perfect upper-echelon patsy, the up-front standard-bearer.

Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Hi Seamus

You can google Perfect Cover by Evica to read the whole essay.

Albert Doyle Wrote:I was going to point out earlier that Piper is off-topic to this thread and we should start a new thread to deal with him. I just wanted to add that the criticisms of Piper in this thread are mainly one line answers and sweeping dismissals saying "false sponsor" and "fell for the trap". (I'll read Seamus) The reason I cringe at this is because if you read 'Final Judgment' you'll see Piper has outdone those criticisms and gives extensive detail.

What is really unbelievable is that someone would try to blow-off the Miami-Bahamian bank-Swiss Banque De Credit Internacional cartel as unrelated when one can see that it was the singlemost key to the covert power structure acting against Kennedy. This proved itself in the fact it then took over as the funding backbone for the covert interests of the shadow group that killed Kennedy. They themselves always say "follow the money". Well, when you do you end up at that very cartel and its banks. This is proven again in the fact this funding power structure lasted up until Oliver North and his using it to fund the CONTRA War. The Military Industrial Complex was involved in killing Kennedy. One of their prime interests was the Israel front against both the oil-bearing arabs and iron curtain. Tibor Rosenbaum was a Mossad officer who then became the owner of Banque De Credit Internacional for the sole purpose of channeling dirty money to Israel to support its defense. When Kennedy acted against Ben Gurion's attempts to acquire nuclear weapons he basically acted against this cartel whose members included the US's Military Industrial Complex. Before being forced out under a nervous breakdown Ben Gurion told Kennedy he was "threatening the future of Israel". Israel is a messianic state, you have to watch out when they say something like that against you.

If you know how CIA operates it hides its doings behind plausible interests. Knowing the nature of CIA once you realize Israel offered a huge shield in its messianic zionism you can safely assume CIA went right for that protected shadow to conceal its most powerful interests. It would be a denial of established reality to ignore how that relationship has grown directly since the death of president Kennedy. This day's main war interests are directly centered around Israeli hegemony and that relationship. It isn't a coincidence that Israel and CIA were born within a year of each other. At the time the most important funding artery for Israel was that CIA/mob bank underground.

If you read 'Final Judgment' you'll see that this mediterranean cartel had now become the new center of gravity of CIA international power. The one thing all the players involved in Kennedy's killing had in common was either a direct or indirect relationship to this shadow government. This is why it is important to relate Clay Shaw and his relationship to both the formation of Mossad and Permindex to his connection to the New Orleans operators.


"The Jews are now backing us"


Why did Echevarria say that?

Phil Dragoo Wrote:In my view Israel had precisely as much to do with killing John as the Palestinian Lone Nut's Rage over Bobby voting warplanes for Israel had to do with killing Bobby, which is to say nothing substantive, only distracting in nature.

Charles Drago Wrote:For the Sponsors of the JFK assassination, Israel serves the purposes of helping to maintain profit-generating global conflict and war-based minority control over the global majority population.