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National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Lauren Johnson - 02-11-2017
On Dems and Putin: see this and this.
Who is Putin? Tough call. Some see him as nationalist, unless you are all in with the DNC storyline with Trump being the evil slav knuckle dragger getting ready to invade Eastern Europe. I am not. His domestic policies are designed to help rich oligarchs to extract wealth from the common person. His loyalties are to oligarchical families who are criminal in nature.
On Trump and Israel: he promised to get the country out of the ME wars. That didn't happen and it is just getting worse. I see Trump as trying to muscle in on a piece of the neocon action held by the Obama/Hillary Dems. They want him gone -- one way or the other. It's kind of a gangland war.
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Peter Lemkin - 02-11-2017
OCTOBER 31, 2017 | DICK RUSSELL
TRUMPED: THE MANDATE, THE MEDIA, AND NEW CLUES AMID THE JFK DOCUMENT (UN)-DUMP
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Photo credit: Image Catalog / Flickr (CC0 1.0)For those of us waiting since passage of the JFK Act of 1992 for release of the last withheld documents on President John F. Kennedy's assassination, the news last Thursday was beyond anti-climactic. It was infuriating and illegal.
Given that President Donald Trump seized the opportunity to be in Dallas for a GOP fundraiser, it was also an insult to the memory of Kennedy's assassination in the same city almost 54 years before.
Clearly, elements of the CIA and FBI had done some last-minute arm-twisting. As night fell, Trump penned a memo saying: "I have no choice today but to accept [their] redactions rather than allow potentially irreversible harm to our nation's security."
This time-honored refrain followed several days of presidential tweets anticipating the release of almost 3,000 long-secret files, and announcing his "hope to get just about everything to the public!" In fact, the only power Trump had under the law was an ability to hang onto documents and that he did, releasing a mere two percent 52 government files previously withheld in full. The remainder, he said, would be subject to another six-month-long review process by the intelligence agencies.
Most of the media vastly overstated the amount of newly released brand-new material, while the major cable networks (including MSNBC's Rachel Maddow) trotted out Warren Commission apologists like Phil Shenon and Gerald Posner for their "expert opinions" that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
The New York Times did quote from a lengthy memo dictated by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover right after Jack Ruby killed Oswald two days after the assassination. Of eyebrow-raising interest was Hoover's flat assertion that Oswald's murder was "inexcusable" considering "our warnings to the Dallas Police Department" whatever that meant.
Hoover also noted "some rumors of underworld activity in Chicago" in Ruby's background. This is the same memo partially released years ago that contained Hoover's expressed desire to have "something issued so that we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."
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FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover. Photo credit: Unknown / WikimediaThat is still de rigeur for New Yorker writer Adam Gopnik. While conceding that "the FBI, the CIA, and the rest were up to their armpits in bad acts that they were trying to keep concealed …" he nonetheless insists that "the Warren Commission is almost certainly the only plausible account of what happened on that day in Dallas."
Gopnik doesn't bother to mention the House Select Committee on Assassinations' conclusion in 1979 that Kennedy was "probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy" involving more than one gunman. Instead, he concludes with a backhanded slap at anyone who might dispute the Oswald-acted-alone hypothesis. "There is no deep state' that exists beyond the scrutiny of responsible citizens," Gopnik claims to believe. "There is a cynical paranoia that always acts, and is meant to, as a pathogen to public trust."
Why then are we not yet allowed to see the known but still hidden records emanating from and about CIA higher-ups such as James Angleton, David Atlee Phillips, and George Joannides? What was the point of releasing an Army file about Antonio Veciana regarding "Alpha 66' Plans to Resume Attacks on Cuba" with no mention of the CIA's connection to the Cuban exile group and Veciana's admission of having once met Oswald in the company of his own case officer?
The agency's "bad acts," these files reveal, went beyond numerous assassination attempts against Fidel Castro that involved leading mob figures and Cuban exiles. "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," one CIA file says. "We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated) … Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots … and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful."
WhoWhatWhy has assembled a team of researchers and experts to carefully scrutinize the releases, including an earlier set of documents made public in July. By early August, this website had already revealed that Earle Cabell, who as Mayor of Dallas oversaw the arrangements for Kennedy's motorcade route, had been a CIA asset since the mid-1950s. The Mayor was also the brother of Charles Cabell, the Agency's Deputy Director before JFK forced him to resign after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion.
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Texas School Book Depository in Dealey Plaza, Dallas. Earle Cabell (inset)Photo credit: Anita & Greg / Flickr (CC BY-NC 2.0), US Government Printing Office / Wikimedia and CIA
Over the coming weeks, context will be coming for files that would otherwise be overlooked. There is, for example, an intriguing memo from Hoover to LBJ aide Marvin Watson in the mid-1960s. It detailed the FBI's intelligence about what the Soviet Union believed had happened in Dallas. This included the possibility that Johnson himself may have been complicit. Also, that Russian intelligence had rejected Oswald when the ex-Marine "defected" to Moscow in 1959, either as a US agent or a crazy. The Soviets suspected an "extreme right conspiracy" that included Oswald, even if only as a patsy.
Why was this kept secret for more than a half century? Perhaps because it might be seen as more credible than the Warren Commission's conclusion that Oswald was a "lone wolf" crazy?
Similar questions are raised by an FBI file headed "Minutemen"a well-known cadre of right-wing extremists dated November 9, 1964. Why was this document buried for over 50 years? In this file, a government informant (apparently a member of the Minutemen) describes something that occurred "about six weeks prior to November 22, 1963."
Two men came to the informant's door wanting "some ammunition." The informant knew one of the men as a member of the Minutemen; the other he had never seen before. The informant dutifully granted the request for ammunition, and did not think "any more about it until November 22, 1964 [sic: clearly a typo for 1963] when [he and his wife] saw a newspaper photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Both noticed a close resemblance between Oswald and the man who was with the MINUTE MAN a few weeks before. Both were afraid that he was Oswald and were afraid to say anything. Both said they felt the MINUTE MEN were involved in the assassination although they claimed that very little was said by members they knew following the assassination except to express satisfaction that it happened.
Later in the memo the informant's government handler, identified only as "Dallas T-1," describes picking up the informant almost a year later and driving him to a gun shop in the city operated by John Thomas Masen. They "observed several men in the front of the shop. The INFORMANT picked out MASEN from the group and identified him as the man that he thought was Oswald."
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Photo credit: Mary Ferrell FoundationDallas T-1, we know from earlier-released documents, was an Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent named Frank Ellsworth. When I interviewed Ellsworth in 1976, he described an Oswald look-alike whom he had arrested on a firearms charge and then released a few days prior to the Kennedy assassination.
Ellsworth was convinced that when witnesses reported seeing someone they thought was Oswald practicing on a rifle range in the month leading up to the assassination, they were actually seeing this look-alike. Though Ellsworth refused to identify the look-alike as Masen, he didn't argue with my speculation, based on other, then-available documents linking Masen to the Alpha 66 Cuban exile organization.
Another FBI file, dated March 27, 1964, quoted Masen about having "purchased about ten boxes of 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano … ammunition in early 1963." That was the same type of rifle that Oswald had mail-ordered in March and that fired the bullets that are said to have hit Kennedy.
Of course, this raises the possibility that an Oswald look-alike was either involved in the assassination or was used to frame Oswald who, it must be remembered, did not take credit for shooting Kennedy, but stated that he was a Patsy.'
The new FBI memo confirming weapons dealer Masen as an Oswald look-alike is, perhaps, the first "smoking gun" among never-before-seen documents that raise more questions than they answer.
Dick Russell is the author of The Man Who Knew Too Much and On the Trail of the JFK Assassins.
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Tom Scully - 02-11-2017
Lauren Johnson Wrote:My read of Trump's priorities:
1) Trump
2) Netanyahu
On Putin: If Vlad were the number two priority, he would have lifted the sanctions. Instead, he strengthened them. The Dems are the ones kissing Putin's butt.
If your opinion was not so fragile.....
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian
"Orwellian" is seen as an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society. It denotes an attitude and a brutal policy of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past,...
Quote:
After long, State Department advances Russia sanctions
By Nicole Gaouette, Ted Barrett and Laura Koran, CNN
Updated 9:09 PM ET, Thu October 26, 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/russia-sanctions-state-congress-trump/index.htmldelay
Washington (CNN)The State Department, facing bipartisan scrutiny from Congress, issued long overdue guidance on which Russian individuals and entities will be subject to sanctions under recently passed legislation -- 25 days after it was due.
The notice, required by the law, was due Oct. 1 and is meant to put potential stakeholders -- including US companies -- on alert in advance of the implementation in January. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson sent the list to Congress Thursday, State Department Spokeswoman Heather Nauert said.
The State Department had come under sharp criticism from lawmakers from both parties who questioned why the Trump administration had missed the deadline and whether the delay reflected reluctance from the White House to further sanction Moscow. .....
.......Senator Bob Corker, the Tennessee Republican who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement Thursday that, "the Senate and House spoke loud and clear by overwhelmingly passing this piece of legislation and sent a strong signal to Iran, Russia and North Korea that our country will stand firm and united in the face of destabilizing behavior.".......
Quote:http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politics/donald-trump-russia-sanctions-bill/index.html
.....In a statement, Trump expressed his own doubts about the legislation: "The bill remains seriously flawed -- particularly because it encroaches on the executive branch's authority to negotiate."
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The measure was signed into law after it passed with overwhelming margins in both the House and Senate -- which made the threat of a presidential veto a non-starter -- but it was not an easy road to Trump's desk.
After the Senate passed the sanctions on Iran and Russia 98-2, the bill languished in the House for more than a month amid a series of procedural fights. Then the House added North Korean sanctions before passing the measure 419-3, effectively forcing the Senate to swallow the new sanctions in order to get the legislation over the finish line before Congress left for its August congressional recess.....
....Corker said that Congress would only veto an attempt to lessen sanctions on Russia if the administration took an "egregious" step to try to remove sanctions.....
.....Corker noted that Trump has refused to believe his intelligence leaders that Russia interfered with the election, and said that may have helped push Congress to get the bill done quickly."I do think that the lack of strong statements in that regard probably effected the outcome," he said.
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Thomas Neal - 03-11-2017
Lauren Johnson Wrote:On Dems and Putin: see this and this."HC & Dems conspired with the Russians to win the election for HC"...seriously???
They certainly failed at that, didn't they? Putin has done a great job of pretending to hate HC since she was Secretary. Just part of the plot, eh?
If the above is true, why are the Republican House AND TRUMP!!! trying to thwart/terminate the House/Senate/Mueller Russia investigations while the Dems and Senate Reps push for the continuation? But according to you the Dems should be trying to hide their Russia connections...
Trump et al claimed no ties to Russia - no meetings, no connections. Yet the investigations into these same people reveal Russia, Russia, Russia. Where is the tie between Putin and HC? The oppo research against Trump wasn't compiled by Putin, and it wasn't used in the campaign.
I guess you believe the Republican half of the Senate is in on the HC/Dem conspiracy as well? That would mean HC, Dems, Putin, Russian oligarchs AND more than half of Senate/House Rep ALL conspired to elect HC, but failed.
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Who is Putin? Tough callEasy call. He's literally a murdering dictator who has amassed a fortune which he keeps in the West instead of in Russia. This is why he hates the magnitsky act with such ferocity. It makes it more difficult for him and the other oligarchs that support him.
Quote:unless you are all in with the DNC storyline with Trump being the evil slav knuckle dragger getting ready to invade Eastern Europe.Presumably you meant "Putin" in the above sentence, not "Trump." An easy mistake to make as they have identical ideas regarding freedom, free speech, greed, human rights, RACISM, etc. Actually, I'm not certain that *Putin* is a racist. So the only major difference I'm aware of is that outside the USA, Putin, who isn't trusted by anyone, is STILL considered more trustworthy than Trump! Oh yeah, and Trump never takes his shirt off in public.
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Peter Lemkin - 03-11-2017
I think this thread has been diverted from the original purpose - to discuss the release and non-release of JFK documents [a very important issue]. Please find or start another thread if you want to discuss other subjects. I understand how a thread can shift, but I am shifting it back. Please. Thanks.
::prison::
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Peter Lemkin - 05-11-2017
http://aarclibrary.org/the-intelligence-community-flips-off-america/
While it has been posted on other threads, Dan Hardway's brilliant and angry article of yesterday will IMO become a classic for all time. It is an article that needs to be read [by everyone] and re-read, to be passed to everyone you can think of sending it to - and most to all it is a call to arms that must be acted upon as you see best - but ACT! NOW! If what happened on Oct. 26th isn't proof [though no further proof was necessary if one's eyes had been open] that we no longer live in a democracy, and have not for over 50 years - I don't know what will awake those of you who think we still have a functioning democracy in anything other than [false] name........
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Joseph McBride - 05-11-2017
Peter Lemkin Wrote:http://aarclibrary.org/the-intelligence-community-flips-off-america/
While it has been posted on other threads, Dan Hardway's brilliant and angry article of yesterday will IMO become a classic for all time. It is an article that needs to be read [by everyone] and re-read, to be passed to everyone you can think of sending it to - and most to all it is a call to arms that must be acted upon as you see best - but ACT! NOW! If what happened on Oct. 26th isn't proof [though no further proof was necessary if one's eyes had been open] that we no longer live in a democracy, and have not for over 50 years - I don't know what will awake those of you who think we still have a functioning democracy in anything other than [false] name........
Yes, it's a brilliant and powerful article. It gets to the essence of the problems with these releases (or non-releases).
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Peter Lemkin - 05-11-2017
Joseph McBride Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:http://aarclibrary.org/the-intelligence-community-flips-off-america/
While it has been posted on other threads, Dan Hardway's brilliant and angry article of yesterday will IMO become a classic for all time. It is an article that needs to be read [by everyone] and re-read, to be passed to everyone you can think of sending it to - and most to all it is a call to arms that must be acted upon as you see best - but ACT! NOW! If what happened on Oct. 26th isn't proof [though no further proof was necessary if one's eyes had been open] that we no longer live in a democracy, and have not for over 50 years - I don't know what will awake those of you who think we still have a functioning democracy in anything other than [false] name........
Yes, it's a brilliant and powerful article. It gets to the essence of the problems with these releases (or non-releases).
I agree 101% that "it gets to the essence of the problems with these releases (or non-releases)", but I think it gets to something much deeper - our total loss of a even minimally-functional democracy. I have long pointed to noon on 11/22/63 as a pivotal turning point - where what limited and fragile democracy we had then had the 'rug pulled out' from the Plebs - and since it has unabashedly been run by the secret elites for the secret elites - and democracy and the Citizenry be damned [and turned into serfs].
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Joseph McBride - 05-11-2017
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Joseph McBride Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:http://aarclibrary.org/the-intelligence-community-flips-off-america/
While it has been posted on other threads, Dan Hardway's brilliant and angry article of yesterday will IMO become a classic for all time. It is an article that needs to be read [by everyone] and re-read, to be passed to everyone you can think of sending it to - and most to all it is a call to arms that must be acted upon as you see best - but ACT! NOW! If what happened on Oct. 26th isn't proof [though no further proof was necessary if one's eyes had been open] that we no longer live in a democracy, and have not for over 50 years - I don't know what will awake those of you who think we still have a functioning democracy in anything other than [false] name........
Yes, it's a brilliant and powerful article. It gets to the essence of the problems with these releases (or non-releases).
I agree 101% that "it gets to the essence of the problems with these releases (or non-releases)", but I think it gets to something much deeper - our total loss of a even minimally-functional democracy. I have long pointed to noon on 11/22/63 as a pivotal turning point - where what limited and fragile democracy we had then had the 'rug pulled out' from the Plebs - and since it has unabashedly been run by the secret elites for the secret elites - and democracy and the Citizenry be damned [and turned into serfs].
Yes, indeed. Our long experiment with democracy ended with the Coup of 1963. We are now seeing the inevitable,
horrific result with the utterly corrupt and depraved Trump presidency.
National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents - Peter Lemkin - 05-11-2017
Another great, recent, and pertinent article by Hardway on this matter...
https://realhillbillyviews.blogspot.cz/2017/10/what-were-they-hiding-and-what-should_30.html