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Offizielle Anfrage der französischen Regierung an die USA über geheime LSD-Experimente in den 1950er-Jahren
F. William Engdahl Dieser Tage entsteht ein diplomatischer und politischer Skandal, der erhebliche Auswirkungen auf die amerikanisch-französischen Beziehungen haben könnte. Ausgelöst wurde er durch neue Untersuchungen des mysteriösen Ausbruchs von »Massenwahnsinn« in einem südfranzösischen Dorf, bei dem etwa 500 Menschen erkrankten und fünf starben. Wie zuverlässige amerikanische Quellen berichten, ist beim Bureau of Intelligence and Research des US-Außenministeriums eine vertrauliche Anfrage des Büros von Erard Corbin de Mangoux, dem Chef des französischen Auslandsnachrichtendienstes DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure) eingegangen. Den Berichten zufolge bezieht sich die Anfrage auf die kürzlich veröffentlichte Darstellung über die Mitschuld der US-Regierung an dem mysteriösen Ausbruch von Massenwahnsinn in dem südfranzösischen Dorf Pont-Saint-Esprit im Jahr 1951. Neue Enthüllungen über den mysteriösen Ausbruch von Wahnsinn in dem französischen Dorf Pont-St.-Esprit im Jahr 1951 weisen auf geheime LSD-Experimente der CIA hin. Fast 500 Menschen waren damals betroffen, mindestens fünf von ihnen sind gestorben. Beinahe 60 Jahre lang hat man den Vorfall von Pont-St.-Esprit entweder auf eine Mutterkorn-Vergiftung – angeblich hatten die Dorfbewohner Brot gegessen, das mit bewusstseinverändernd wirkendem Schimmel verunreinigt war – oder auf eine organische Quecksilbervergiftung geschoben. Ein kürzlich in den USA erschienenes Buch erhebt aufgrund von ausführlichen Interviews mit inzwischen pensionierten US-Geheimdienstmitarbeitern, die über die Vorgänge in Frankreich im Jahr 1951 direkt informiert waren, den Vorwurf, bei dem bis heute nicht geklärten Ausbruch von »Massenwahnsinn« in dem entlegenen Dorf handele es sich in Wirklichkeit um ein Top-Secret-CIA-Experiment, das im Rahmen des CIA-Forschungsprogramms MKULTRA (wie in ultra-geheim) durchgeführt wurde. In seinem Buch A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Secret Cold War Experiments zu (Deutsch: Ein schrecklicher Fehler: Der Mord an Frank Olson und die CIA-Experimente im Kalten Krieg)dokumentiert der investigative Journalist H.P. Albarelli, dass der Krankheitsausbruch in Pont-St.-Esprit auf ein geheimes Projekt unter der Leitung der streng geheimen Abteilung Special Operations Division der US Army in Fort Detrick im US-Bundesstaat Maryland zurückzuführen ist, bei dem LSD versprüht wurde. Seiner Schilderung nach arbeiteten die Wissenschaftler, die mit der falschen Begründung verunreinigten Brotes oder einer Quecksilbervergiftung die wahre Ursache des Vorfalls vertuscht haben, für das Pharmaunternehmen Sandoz, das sowohl der US Army als auch der CIA mit LSD für Forschungszwecke geliefert hatte. Eine französische Zeitung hatte damals über bizarre Vorfälle berichtet: »Es ist weder Shakespeare noch Edgar Poe. Es ist – leider! – die traurige Realität von Pont-St.-Esprit und seiner Umgebung, wo sich furchtbare Szenen von Halluzinationen abspielen, die geradewegs aus dem Mittelalter stammen könnten, Szenen voller Schrecken und Pathos, voll dunkler Schatten.« Die amerikanische Zeitschrift Time Magazine, deren Herausgeber Henry Luce eng mit den Propagandaaktivitäten der CIA in den 1950er-Jahren verbunden war, berichtete: »Betroffene fielen ins Delirium: Patienten warfen sich auf dem Bett hin und her, sie schrien entsetzt, aus ihrem Körper sprießten rote Blumen, ihre Köpfe hätten sich in geschmolzenes Blei verwandelt. Aus dem Krankenhaus von Pont-Saint-Esprit wurden vier Selbstmordversuche gemeldet.« Laut Albarelli heißt es auf der Website des US-Justizministeriums bezüglich der Gefahren von LSD, Anfang der 1950er-Jahre sei »das Chemieunternehmen Sandoz so weit gegangen, der US-Regierung LSD als potenzielle geheime Waffen chemischer Kriegsführung anzupreisen. Sein Hauptverkaufsargument war dabei, schon eine kleine Menge könne, dem Trinkwasser zugesetzt oder in der Luft versprüht, eine ganze Armee von Soldaten orientierungslos, psychotisch und damit kampfunfähig machen.« Seiner Darstellung nach lagen der CIA verschiedene Vorschläge amerikanischer Wissenschaftler vor, der Wasserversorgung einer mittelgroßen bis großen Stadt eine größere Menge LSD unterzumischen, doch nach Angaben ehemaliger Beamter der Behörde »ist das Experiment wegen der unerwarteten Zahl von Todesopfern bei der Operation in Frankreich nie genehmigt worden«. Im Rahmen der Forschung über LSD als Offensivwaffe hat die US Army laut Albarelli in der Zeit von 1953 bis 1965 über 5.700 ahnungslose amerikanischen Militärangehörigen Drogen verabreicht. Aufgrund geheimer Verträge mit mehr als 325 Colleges, Universitäten und Forschungseinrichtungen in den USA, Kanada und Europa wurden gemeinsam mit der CIA an weiteren 2.500 Personen umfangreiche Tests mit LSD und anderen Drogen durchgeführt, viele davon waren Krankenhauspatienten und College-Studenten. Dr. Timothy Leary, LSD-»Guru« der Harvard University, hat zugegeben, mit der CIA gearbeitet zu haben. Ein Beamter der DGSE, der nicht namentlich genannt werden wollte, erklärt: »Sollten sich die Enthüllungen im Einzelnen als wahr erweisen, wäre dies für die Menschen in Pont-St.-Esprit und für alle Bürger Frankreichs äußerst bedrückend. Dass Regierungsbehörden der Vereinigten Staaten bewusst unschuldige ausländische Bürger zur Zielscheibe eines solchen Experiments machen würden, stellt einen Verstoß gegen das Völkerrecht und eine Verletzung internationaler Verträge dar.« |
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Official request from the French Government to the U.S. over secret LSD experiments in the 1950s
F. William Engdahl These days, creating a diplomatic and political scandal that could significantly impact on the US-French relations have. It was triggered by new studies of the mysterious outbreak of "mass madness" in a southern French village, where about 500 people ill and five died. According to reports of reliable U.S. sources, was received by the Bureau of Intelligence and Research of the U.S. State Department a confidential inquiry of the Office of Erard Corbin de Mangoux, the head of the French foreign intelligence service DGSE (Direction Generale de la for External Security). It was reported that the question refers to the recently published account of the complicity of the U.S. Government to the mysterious outbreak of mass insanity in the southern French village of Pont-Saint-Esprit in 1951. New revelations about the mysterious outbreak of insanity in the French village of Pont-Saint-Esprit in 1951 indicate secret LSD experiments by the CIA. Nearly 500 people were affected at that time, at least five of them died. Almost 60 years, it has the incident of Pont-Saint-Esprit either to ergot poisoning - said the villagers had eaten bread that was contaminated with mold in mental-acting - or pushed to an organic mercury poisoning. A recently published book in the United States stands on the basis of extensive interviews with now-retired U.S. intelligence officials who were informed about what is happening in France right in the year 1951, the complaint in which to this day unexplained outbreak of "mass madness" in the remote village if it were in fact a top-secret CIA experiment, which was under the CIA's MKULTRA research program (as in ultra-) conducted by secret ballot. In his book, A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold experiment (German: A terrible mistake was the murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's experiments in the Cold War) documented investigative journalist, HP Albarelli that the disease outbreak in Pont-Saint-Esprit is due to a secret project under the guidance of top-secret Department Special Operations Division of the U.S. Army at Fort Detrick in Maryland, where LSD was sprayed. His account after the scientists who have worked hushed up with the wrong bread contaminated ground or mercury poisoning, the true cause of the incident for the pharmaceutical company Sandoz, which had provided both the U.S. Army and the CIA on LSD for research purposes. A French newspaper had reported bizarre incidents at that time: "It is not Shakespeare or Edgar Allan Poe. It is - unfortunately! - The sad reality of Pont-Saint-Esprit play and its surroundings, where the terrible scenes of hallucinations, which could come straight from the Middle Ages, scenes of horror and pathos, full of dark shadows. "The American magazine Time magazine, whose editor Henry Luce was closely connected with the propaganda activities of the CIA in the 1950s, reported: "Affected fell into delirium patients threw themselves down on the bed with her, she screamed in horror, red flowers sprouted from her body, their heads were in molten lead turns. From the hospital of Pont-Saint-Esprit reported four suicide attempts. " According Albarelli it says on the website of the U.S. Justice Department about the dangers of LSD, in the early 1950s was "the Sandoz chemical company went so far as to extol the U.S. government LSD as a potential secret weapon of chemical warfare. Its main selling point was to have a small amount could, added to the drinking water or sprayed into the air to make a whole army of soldiers, disoriented, psychotic and thus incapable of fighting. " In his presentation to the CIA for a number of suggestions were American scientists, unterzumischen the water supply of a medium to large city has a larger amount of LSD, but according to former officials of the authority is "the experiment because of the unexpected number of deaths during the operation in France has never accepted '. As part of the research on LSD as an offensive weapon has given the U.S. Army, according Albarelli in the period 1953 to 1965 clueless than 5,700 American military personnel drugs. Because of secret contracts with more than 325 colleges, universities and research institutes in the U.S., Canada and Europe have been carried out jointly with another 2,500 people at the CIA extensive tests with LSD and other drugs, many of whom were hospital patients and college students. Dr. Timothy Leary, LSD "guru" at Harvard University, has admitted to having worked with the CIA. An official of the DGSE, did not want to be named, said: "Should the detailed revelations prove to be true, it would be extremely distressing for the people of Pont-Saint-Esprit and for all French citizens. That government authorities of the United States deliberately targeted innocent foreign citizens would do such an experiment, is a violation of international law and a violation of international treaties dar. "
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I studied Environmental Health and Toxicology and in Toxicology classes [several] oft was mentioned in lecture or in textbooks about the 'classic' case of a whole French village that suffered from ergot poisoning.......From my own interest in hallucinogens, I knew that the active ingredient in ergot and LSD etc. were very similar and had more than a passing doubt - with no evidence whatsoever. Wonder if they'll change all those textbooks or the lectures.....
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"Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Rothschild "Two things are infinite: the universe & human stupidity; and I'm not so sure about the universe." - Einstein “Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. People are obedient in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that the grand thieves are running the country. That’s our problem.” — Howard Zinn |
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Here is the official story from MSM organ, Time:
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Did your investigations reveal any sense of why the luminaries of the Special Operations Division of the U.S. Army at Fort Detrick, would choose to spray a French village with LSD? Clearly, as a scientific experiment, it would be junk as it would be near impossible to gather clinical or medical data from the subjects. Also, conducting an act of chemical warfare against a major European ally could have had severe diplomatic consequences if discovered at the time. In the decades following WW2, the Americans and the British in particular did conduct plenty of animal and human experimentation with chemical and biological weapons amongst the populations of central and south America - particularly in client states such as Costa Rica and Panama - see for instance posts #6 & 7 in the thread here: http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/for...ead.php?t=1359 However, other than proving that spraying LSD could cause mass psychosis, and thus demonstrating that LSD was a potential battlefield incapacitant, I'm struggling to see what benefit the black doctors could have gained from an LSD experiment at Pont-Saint-Esprit.
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As a footnote to the matter of battlefield incapacitants, the military incapacitant of choice is/was probably BZ (3-quinuclidinyl benzilate aka QNB, BZ, EA-2277).
From Martin Lee and Bruce Shlain's Acid Dreams: Quote:
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Here's an interview conducted by the pseudonymous RUSirius with chemical warfare expert Dr James E Ketchum.
Ketchum's answers are self-serving, and probably contain deliberate obfuscation and diversionary material, but the interview is nevertheless interesting for its claims of a war with the Soviets for "inner space", using substances such as ergot. Amusingly, precisely the same argument - of a covert mind war with the Soviets for inner space - was trotted out by those defending American psychic research, such as remote viewing. Quote:
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"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...." "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek." "They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Túpac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war Last edited by Jan Klimkowski; 02-09-2010 at 09:43 PM. |
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All too much of this has gone on and still goes on....
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"Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Rothschild "Two things are infinite: the universe & human stupidity; and I'm not so sure about the universe." - Einstein “Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. People are obedient in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that the grand thieves are running the country. That’s our problem.” — Howard Zinn |
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Like CBW "experiments" conducted in the mainland US, a CBW "experiment" in mainland France in the early 1950s would be reckless, highly dangerous (if the public learnt of it), and entirely worthless from a scientific and clinical point of view. The only purpose of such a "scientific experiment" would be to watch, at the broadest level, how matters unfolded on the ground in terms of mass hysteria and the mortality rate. In other words, it would be a war crime committed in a time of peace against a cvilian population. What Pont-Saint-Esprit and events such as subway and cropduster tests of CBW materials on civilian populations ultimately reveal is that secret science is junk science, and that its perpetrators are criminals who have abandoned their consciences and their human decency. It is good for the soul to learn that men such as Frank Olson were ultimately so morally sickened by the crimes committed in the furtherance of this secret science that they rebelled. It is bad for the soul to learn that, before they could blow the whistle, they were executed by the same nefarious forces responsible for the deep black science.
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"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...." "Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek." "They are in Love. Fuck the War." Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon "Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta." The last words of the last Inka, Túpac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war |
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